2023-06: Zubick's Scrap App, Devel::DebugHooks

John Driezen motivates a scrap-tracking program in Python, and explains how he developed it. Eugen Konkov describes Devel::DebugHooks, a Perl debugger he wrote. See https://kwlug.org/node/1323 for additional information, slides and other auxiliary materials. Note that this audio has had silences clipped.