[kwlug-disc] sad news from the Ukraine

[Mikalai Birukou]

>> Is most of the fighting between Ukrainians who want to remain 
>> Ukrainians and Ukrainians who want to separate and re-join Russia I 
>> wonder?
>> That is a narrative I am hearing from a couple of colleagues.
>>
>> Or it is de-facto Russian soldiers on Ukrainian lands fighting the 
>> Ukrainians who wish to remain their own sovereign nation?
>
> Oh, man. This is an echo of a decade long propaganda by Russian 
> Federation. My Russian speaking relatives show signs of deep hate for 
> what Russian military has done. Most of those in Ukraine who believed 
> Russian propaganda now realize how fooled they were.
>
> Reality is that all of top brass in government of a separatist region, 
> was all citizens of Russian Federation. No kidding. All way back from 
> 2014. Both citizens and residents of Russian Federation.
>
> I intentionally highlight Russian Federation (RF), as apposed to 
> Russian. Firstly, it isn't easy to motivate Russians from RF to go and 
> kill Russians in the East of Ukraine. Secondly, even in 2014 there was 
> already a ton of video evidence of nationalities from Siberian part of 
> RF in tank brigades fighting against Ukraine. These brigades couldn't 
> possible originate from Ukraine.
>
> I think we are seeing a repeat of Nazi's propaganda, what it did to 
> people, in uniform and civilians, how society going to heal from this, 
> etc. I turned to think that some post-war German rules were to 
> excessive, but events in Belarus in 2020 and this war now show that 
> German approach is a starting point to deflect memetic toxins that 
> surely destroy the very foundation of civilization.
>
Recent observation is that one of propagandist on RF's TV moves from a 
narrative "there are good Ukrainians held by nazis" to "there are no 
good Ukrainians".

>>> This is not as sad as the deaths of so many civilians.
>>
>> There is no one in Ukraine untouched by this. I have a lot of 
>> relatives, particularly in Mariupol. Those, who I was able to 
>> contact, are alive, due to organization in hiding from shelling. 
>> "Horrible" just doesn't start to describe this.
>>
>> Wave of people in Europe starts to reach our shores. A friend of mine 
>> picked his farther in Poland. He evacuated with other family members 
>> from Kharkiv by land to Poland. Many thanks to Polish and European 
>> people. Please, support all these initiatives.
>>
>>>     Russian bomb destroys Ukrainian PC museum:
>>>
>>>     https://www.pcgamer.com/retro-computing-museum-in-ukraine-destroyed-by-russian-bomb/
>>>
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