[kwlug-disc] KWLUG is changing

Thu Jan 5 16:49:23 EST 2017

I'm a bit allergic to making people sign up for stuff how about if we can't
wait till next week that I throw up a public google spreadsheet that's
globally editable.

Also pre pre planning may be a bit pre emptive. Let me spend some time this
weekend getting my head around the list that started this discussion and
try to Kanbanize it all.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 4:38 PM B. S. <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

Even if it were present this second, it would still take time for people
to gather, gather their thoughts, and 'publish' them - be it
electronically or verbally / in person.

Arguably people should go to checkvist now and start doing so. Heck,
they can even start collaborating there if they're so inclined.

Presumably kanban can import a csv or whatever.

The lack of a kanban site this second isn't a hindrance. Heck, just
sinking into kanban will be a milestone in an of itself.

At this point, arguably, a technical roadmap for organizing the
organization is set (or would be found without too much difficulty, e.g.
checkvist).

Next, and perhaps more immediately, is who will PM / facilitate things?
Presumably it should not be Paul (he is, after all, the one who called
Uncle! / for help.). I'm not sure if any of the current do'ers could
also be impartial facilitators - presumably they'll be too busy do'ing,
given their familiarity with the ecosystem.

On 01/05/2017 04:21 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> @B.S, I'm perfectly fine with the idea of setting out the Kanban board and
> throwing together an example of how I imagine it working. I have a major
> release for a project coming up this weekend so it won't even start
getting
> looked at until Monday on my end. I might foot the tab for a temporary VM
> at digital ocean or something until I've got something more stable that I
> can run from home possibly behind a Cloudflare cache/reverse proxy for the
> sake of responsiveness and uptime.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 3:57 PM B.S. <bs27975.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mixing many messages here ...
>>
>> I am completely unfamiliar with kanban, but would happily participate.
>>
>> On 01/05/2017 02:01 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
>>>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just need
>>>>   a fancy collaborative to-do list.  This way positions can be
>>>> unofficial and the first available person who is capable of
>>>> picking up a task can just cherry pick what they want to do and one
>>>> or two people can just be responsible for chasing up people who
>>>> have checked out items.
>>>
>>> A few comments:
>>>
>>> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do
>>> so.
>>
>> Yes please.
>>
>>> - I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new webhost.
>>
>> It shouldn't at this time, until participants are so comfortable.
>> Arguably it would be a second / different task list. (Friends of, vs
>> users of, vs admins of?) Let alone keeps the noise level down for those
>> not interested.
>>
>>> - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for the monthly
>>> task list?
>>
>> It can be both. The latter tasks would be recurring. The master of the
>> recurring tasks would be assigned to someone (Andrew), as, as pointed
>> out, that master role would mostly be to see that someone is assigned to
>> / carrying it out that month.
>>
>> Presumably the initial one-off tasks can be 'archived' well after the
>> fact. e.g. This is, what, the nth proposed Drupal upgrade? And not
>> likely to be the last.
>>
>>> - Just because I have divided up the tasks in an
>>> arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick tasks they
>>> want to work on.  There are not currently clearly defined roles ...
>>
>> In this context, tasks become roles. Doesn't mean they can't be grouped
>> in categories (I assume). I think your original list is more a list of
>> categories (tags?), within which there would be many tasks (Roles). [See
>> that x gets done. x may have a .1, .2, .3, etc.]
>>
>>> - A Kanban board does
>>> not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the tasks. At the
>>> end of the day somebody has to make sure that the tasks are done.
>>
>> This is a matter of participants signing up, and, as noted, picking (and
>> completing) tasks. Only time would tell / prove / demonstrate success,
>> or not.
>>
>> People have offered to participate. I'm guessing kanban (or any
>> collaborative task list), which inherently forces the tasks to be
>> explicit / public / visible / always in your face, may now provide them
>> a more transparent vehicle by which to do so.
>>
>> I assume there is a concept of a task owner (vs assigned), task master,
>> or the like.
>>
>>
>> On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:
>>   > I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of
>>   > committing just yet. ...
>>
>> If all you (can) do at the moment is set it up and be the Kanban (use)
>> master / coach / admin that would be wonderful and more than sufficient.
>>
>> Buys people time to join, participate, and become comfortable with the
>> beastie. Let's them focus on structure / organization (which will be no
>> small discussion), and executing, while for at least the moment not
>> having to worry about how to keep the lights on.
>>
>>
>> On 01/05/2017 02:47 PM, Chamunks wrote:
>>> That would be cool but I'd personally think that we should keep the
>>> Drupal more purpose built.
>>
>> This message thread is about the admin of the group, not the group
>> usage. The site is user usage.
>>
>> For this moment, this should be a non-site kwlug admin kanban.
>>
>> Not to say it shouldn't be added later, but I think the 'roles' need to
>> be threshed out first. i.e. group admin tasks vs user / group usage
>> tasks. Once the 'admins' are comfortable with 'things'.
>>
>> I could be wrong on that. Running the group being separate than using /
>> participating in the group - mmm, perhaps that's a reflection of things
>> to date rather than as they could be. Groups run themselves, I suppose -
>> but to date kwlug has been run by the 'active' few. Maybe kanban will
>> change that / spread the load. Engender more participation - at which
>> point it would be a site thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:
>>> I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of
>>> committing just yet. So first I would like to get a FLOSS approvable
>>>   Kanban solution setup for tracking or project here so that there is
>>>   at least one centralized place we can get the overview. Taiga seems
>>>   like the most complete and active solution but has a bit of coupling
>>>   involved plus I'm not certain what I'll do for hosting just yet for
>>>   it. I'll see if digital ocean or someone like this will donate a VM
>>>   or something.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 2:03 PM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
>>>>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just
>>>>> need a
>>>> fancy
>>>>> collaborative to-do list.  This way positions can be unofficial
>>>>> and the first available person who is capable of picking up a
>>>>> task can just
>>>> cherry
>>>>> pick what they want to do and one or two people can just be
>>>>> responsible
>>>> for
>>>>> chasing up people who have checked out items.
>>>>
>>>> A few comments:
>>>>
>>>> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do
>>>> so. I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new
>>>> webhost. - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for
>>>> the monthly task list? - Just because I have divided up the tasks
>>>> in an arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick
>>>> tasks they want to work on. There are not currently clearly defined
>>>> roles because these are the things I am doing. But we do not need
>>>> well defined roles. We just need tasks to get done. - A Kanban
>>>> board does not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the
>>>> tasks. At the end of the day somebody has to make sure that the
>>>> tasks are done.
>>>>
>>>>> Also is there a way that I can send my phone number to people
>>>>> without it being published in the mailing list archives so that I
>>>>> can be reached if anyone has questions about my maniacal schemes
>>>>> for KWLUG organization.
>>>>
>>>> You can email individuals but there is not a good way to share
>>>> your number with the list.
>>>>
>>>> With respect to your other email: Bob publicized our social media
>>>> presences (most of which are on the front page of kwlug.org as
>>>> well). Are you volunteering to liven up the social media component
>>>>   of KWLUG? If it excites you then you should run with it,
>>>> especially on those platforms where Bob is not very active.
>>
>>
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