[kwlug-disc] KWLUG is changing

Thu Jan 5 16:36:21 EST 2017

Even if it were present this second, it would still take time for people 
to gather, gather their thoughts, and 'publish' them - be it 
electronically or verbally / in person.

Arguably people should go to checkvist now and start doing so. Heck, 
they can even start collaborating there if they're so inclined.

Presumably kanban can import a csv or whatever.

The lack of a kanban site this second isn't a hindrance. Heck, just 
sinking into kanban will be a milestone in an of itself.

At this point, arguably, a technical roadmap for organizing the 
organization is set (or would be found without too much difficulty, e.g. 
checkvist).

Next, and perhaps more immediately, is who will PM / facilitate things? 
Presumably it should not be Paul (he is, after all, the one who called 
Uncle! / for help.). I'm not sure if any of the current do'ers could 
also be impartial facilitators - presumably they'll be too busy do'ing, 
given their familiarity with the ecosystem.

On 01/05/2017 04:21 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> @B.S, I'm perfectly fine with the idea of setting out the Kanban board and
> throwing together an example of how I imagine it working. I have a major
> release for a project coming up this weekend so it won't even start getting
> looked at until Monday on my end. I might foot the tab for a temporary VM
> at digital ocean or something until I've got something more stable that I
> can run from home possibly behind a Cloudflare cache/reverse proxy for the
> sake of responsiveness and uptime.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 3:57 PM B.S. <bs27975.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mixing many messages here ...
>>
>> I am completely unfamiliar with kanban, but would happily participate.
>>
>> On 01/05/2017 02:01 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
>>>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just need
>>>>   a fancy collaborative to-do list.  This way positions can be
>>>> unofficial and the first available person who is capable of
>>>> picking up a task can just cherry pick what they want to do and one
>>>> or two people can just be responsible for chasing up people who
>>>> have checked out items.
>>>
>>> A few comments:
>>>
>>> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do
>>> so.
>>
>> Yes please.
>>
>>> - I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new webhost.
>>
>> It shouldn't at this time, until participants are so comfortable.
>> Arguably it would be a second / different task list. (Friends of, vs
>> users of, vs admins of?) Let alone keeps the noise level down for those
>> not interested.
>>
>>> - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for the monthly
>>> task list?
>>
>> It can be both. The latter tasks would be recurring. The master of the
>> recurring tasks would be assigned to someone (Andrew), as, as pointed
>> out, that master role would mostly be to see that someone is assigned to
>> / carrying it out that month.
>>
>> Presumably the initial one-off tasks can be 'archived' well after the
>> fact. e.g. This is, what, the nth proposed Drupal upgrade? And not
>> likely to be the last.
>>
>>> - Just because I have divided up the tasks in an
>>> arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick tasks they
>>> want to work on.  There are not currently clearly defined roles ...
>>
>> In this context, tasks become roles. Doesn't mean they can't be grouped
>> in categories (I assume). I think your original list is more a list of
>> categories (tags?), within which there would be many tasks (Roles). [See
>> that x gets done. x may have a .1, .2, .3, etc.]
>>
>>> - A Kanban board does
>>> not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the tasks. At the
>>> end of the day somebody has to make sure that the tasks are done.
>>
>> This is a matter of participants signing up, and, as noted, picking (and
>> completing) tasks. Only time would tell / prove / demonstrate success,
>> or not.
>>
>> People have offered to participate. I'm guessing kanban (or any
>> collaborative task list), which inherently forces the tasks to be
>> explicit / public / visible / always in your face, may now provide them
>> a more transparent vehicle by which to do so.
>>
>> I assume there is a concept of a task owner (vs assigned), task master,
>> or the like.
>>
>>
>> On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:
>>   > I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of
>>   > committing just yet. ...
>>
>> If all you (can) do at the moment is set it up and be the Kanban (use)
>> master / coach / admin that would be wonderful and more than sufficient.
>>
>> Buys people time to join, participate, and become comfortable with the
>> beastie. Let's them focus on structure / organization (which will be no
>> small discussion), and executing, while for at least the moment not
>> having to worry about how to keep the lights on.
>>
>>
>> On 01/05/2017 02:47 PM, Chamunks wrote:
>>> That would be cool but I'd personally think that we should keep the
>>> Drupal more purpose built.
>>
>> This message thread is about the admin of the group, not the group
>> usage. The site is user usage.
>>
>> For this moment, this should be a non-site kwlug admin kanban.
>>
>> Not to say it shouldn't be added later, but I think the 'roles' need to
>> be threshed out first. i.e. group admin tasks vs user / group usage
>> tasks. Once the 'admins' are comfortable with 'things'.
>>
>> I could be wrong on that. Running the group being separate than using /
>> participating in the group - mmm, perhaps that's a reflection of things
>> to date rather than as they could be. Groups run themselves, I suppose -
>> but to date kwlug has been run by the 'active' few. Maybe kanban will
>> change that / spread the load. Engender more participation - at which
>> point it would be a site thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:
>>> I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of
>>> committing just yet. So first I would like to get a FLOSS approvable
>>>   Kanban solution setup for tracking or project here so that there is
>>>   at least one centralized place we can get the overview. Taiga seems
>>>   like the most complete and active solution but has a bit of coupling
>>>   involved plus I'm not certain what I'll do for hosting just yet for
>>>   it. I'll see if digital ocean or someone like this will donate a VM
>>>   or something.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 2:03 PM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
>>>>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just
>>>>> need a
>>>> fancy
>>>>> collaborative to-do list.  This way positions can be unofficial
>>>>> and the first available person who is capable of picking up a
>>>>> task can just
>>>> cherry
>>>>> pick what they want to do and one or two people can just be
>>>>> responsible
>>>> for
>>>>> chasing up people who have checked out items.
>>>>
>>>> A few comments:
>>>>
>>>> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do
>>>> so. I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new
>>>> webhost. - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for
>>>> the monthly task list? - Just because I have divided up the tasks
>>>> in an arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick
>>>> tasks they want to work on. There are not currently clearly defined
>>>> roles because these are the things I am doing. But we do not need
>>>> well defined roles. We just need tasks to get done. - A Kanban
>>>> board does not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the
>>>> tasks. At the end of the day somebody has to make sure that the
>>>> tasks are done.
>>>>
>>>>> Also is there a way that I can send my phone number to people
>>>>> without it being published in the mailing list archives so that I
>>>>> can be reached if anyone has questions about my maniacal schemes
>>>>> for KWLUG organization.
>>>>
>>>> You can email individuals but there is not a good way to share
>>>> your number with the list.
>>>>
>>>> With respect to your other email: Bob publicized our social media
>>>> presences (most of which are on the front page of kwlug.org as
>>>> well). Are you volunteering to liven up the social media component
>>>>   of KWLUG? If it excites you then you should run with it,
>>>> especially on those platforms where Bob is not very active.
>>
>>
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