[kwlug-disc] Cloud services

Fri Apr 4 18:50:47 EDT 2014

There is also the mixed approach. I have self hosted owncloud for sync, but back up to a "cloud service" (isp's free storage) with Duplicity (which encrypts everything before sending it). That way I don't have to completely trust my own "service," or some one else's cloud respecting my privacy.

On April 4, 2014 5:02:21 PM EDT, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:
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>unsolicited wrote:
>> Which could also be on your own hosted vm that you permit no one
>> else access to. Multiple ways to skin that cat. ('It's just
>> software.')
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>Happily, there's terminology to identify the different setups:
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>"Autonomous": A service is under your control. That usually means it's
>not one of the commercial, ad-supported providers like Dropbox or
>Google Drive or SkyDrive, but some GNU Affero-licensed software
>running on a hosting service you manage. While you're no longer
>subject to the whims of the applicatino service provider, you're still
>at the mercy of the hosting provider. http://autonomo.us/
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>"Self-hosting" takes it one step further, and puts the server hardware
>under your control as well. Not for the faint of heart; I've even
>heard some of the most technically competent people on the list
>express their reluctance at hosting their own services. And you're
>still at the mercy of the Internet Service Provider, who may not allow
>you to run your own services (someday you should ask Tin Foil Bob if
>they restrict self-hosting because they fear liability for illegal
>content, or because it cuts into their own business model...)
>
>I've been having some discussion about cooperative mesh networks using
>white-space spectrum. That would be the next step beyond self-hosting
>to provide independence from ISPs. But I don't know if we'll see free
>(as in FAIF) white-space spectrum in Canada any time soon.
>
>- --Bob.
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>On 14-04-04 04:35 PM, unsolicited wrote:
>> Which could also be on your own hosted vm that you permit no one
>> else access to. Multiple ways to skin that cat. ('It's just
>> software.')
>> 
>> On 14-04-04 03:56 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
>>> I should amend my earlier email: ownCloud is a self-hosted
>>> service from what I can see.
>>> 
>>> I found a decent article regarding Ubuntu One alternatives that
>>> has a few good ideas:
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>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/three-alternatives-ubuntu-one?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=three-alternatives-ubuntu-one
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>On 4 April 2014 15:44, CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> We have to be careful to remember that there's a difference
>>>> between an online cloud service like ownCloud, Dropbox,
>>>> OneDrive, etc., and running a "cloud" in your own home.  One is
>>>> public, one is private, each with advantages and disadvantages,
>>>> but I can't help but think that we're comparing apples and
>>>> oranges here.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 April 2014 15:38, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Perhaps we can have a shootout between ownCloud and DS Cloud
>>>>> at a future KWLUG meeting....
>>>>> 
>>>>> - --Bob.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14-04-04 03:35 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
>>>>>> With all the talk lately on the web about GDrive dropping 
>>>>>> their prices, Dropbox looking at files and Ubuntu closing 
>>>>>> Ubuntu One, I've been looking at an alternative (I
>>>>>> currently have Skydrive/Onedrive, GDrive and a purchased
>>>>>> Dropbox account.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One thing that never occurred to me until recently was that
>>>>>> my NAS box (a Synology 412+) comes with a "cloud" software
>>>>>> package called DS Cloud.  You set up the server software
>>>>>> accordingly, then install client software on your client
>>>>>> machines.  I've set it up on my work laptop and my personal
>>>>>> laptop.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So far so good.  One problem I had was I wasn't paying 
>>>>>> attention at the server side and didn't notice that my
>>>>>> videos and music folders were set to be monitored by the DS
>>>>>> Cloud. The software makes its own copy of everything when
>>>>>> it's indexing so I actually had my server's hard disks fill
>>>>>> up and seize when it made duplicates of these two folders.
>>>>>> That was nasty. I had to uninstall the cloud software then
>>>>>> go manually clean out the index folders.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One downside of running my own cloud server is that if the 
>>>>>> house burns down, I don't have any offsite copies of
>>>>>> anything (assuming I close down my GDrive, Dropbox, etc.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A positive side is that nobody is going to be rifling
>>>>>> through my files like Dropbox has apparently been doing
>>>>>> with some users.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll try to put my experiences with running my own cloud 
>>>>>> server into better words once I've had a bit more practice
>>>>>> with the operation.  But I wanted to post this in case
>>>>>> anyone else is concerned about online cloud storage
>>>>>> options.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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