<html><head></head><body>There is also the mixed approach. I have self hosted owncloud for sync, but back up to a "cloud service" (isp's free storage) with Duplicity (which encrypts everything before sending it). That way I don't have to completely trust my own "service," or some one else's cloud respecting my privacy.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 4, 2014 5:02:21 PM EDT, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman@sobac.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br />Hash: SHA1<br /><br />unsolicited wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Which could also be on your own hosted vm that you permit no one<br /> else access to. Multiple ways to skin that cat. ('It's just<br /> software.')<br /></blockquote><br />Happily, there's terminology to identify the different setups:<br /><br />"Autonomous": A service is under your control. That usually means it's<br />not one of the commercial, ad-supported providers like Dropbox or<br />Google Drive or SkyDrive, but some GNU Affero-licensed software<br />running on a hosting service you manage. While you're no longer<br />subject to the whims of the applicatino service provider, you're still<br />at the mercy of the hosting provider. <a href="http://autonomo.us">http://autonomo.us</a>/<br /><br />"Self-hosting" takes it one step further, and puts the server
hardware<br />under your control as well. Not for the faint of heart; I've even<br />heard some of the most technically competent people on the list<br />express their reluctance at hosting their own services. And you're<br />still at the mercy of the Internet Service Provider, who may not allow<br />you to run your own services (someday you should ask Tin Foil Bob if<br />they restrict self-hosting because they fear liability for illegal<br />content, or because it cuts into their own business model...)<br /><br />I've been having some discussion about cooperative mesh networks using<br />white-space spectrum. That would be the next step beyond self-hosting<br />to provide independence from ISPs. But I don't know if we'll see free<br />(as in FAIF) white-space spectrum in Canada any time soon.<br /><br />- --Bob.<br /><br /><br /><br />On 14-04-04 04:35 PM, unsolicited wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf;
padding-left: 1ex;"> Which could also be on your own hosted vm that you permit no one<br /> else access to. Multiple ways to skin that cat. ('It's just<br /> software.')<br /> <br /> On 14-04-04 03:56 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> I should amend my earlier email: ownCloud is a self-hosted<br /> service from what I can see.<br /> <br /> I found a decent article regarding Ubuntu One alternatives that<br /> has a few good ideas:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/three-alternatives-ubuntu-one?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=three-alternatives-ubuntu-one">http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/three-alternatives-ubuntu-one?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=three-alternatives-ubuntu-one</a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /></blockquote></blockquote>On 4 April 2014 15:44, CrankyOldBugger
<crankyoldbugger@gmail.com><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> wrote:<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> We have to be careful to remember that there's a difference<br /> between an online cloud service like ownCloud, Dropbox,<br /> OneDrive, etc., and running a "cloud" in your own home. One is<br /> public, one is private, each with advantages and disadvantages,<br /> but I can't help but think that we're comparing apples and<br /> oranges here.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> On 4 April 2014 15:38, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman@sobac.com> wrote:<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1<br /> <br /> Perhaps we can have a shootout between ownCloud and DS Cloud<br /> at a future KWLUG meeting....<br /> <br /> - --Bob.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> On 14-04-04 03:35 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> With all the talk lately on the web about GDrive dropping <br /> their prices, Dropbox looking at files and Ubuntu closing <br /> Ubuntu One, I've been looking at an alternative (I<br /> currently have Skydrive/Onedrive, GDrive and a purchased<br /> Dropbox account.)<br /> <br /> One thing that never occurred to me until recently was that<br /> my NAS box (a Synology 412+) comes with a "cloud" software<br /> package called DS Cloud. You set up the server software<br /> accordingly, then install client software on your client<br /> machines. I've set it up on my work laptop and my personal<br /> laptop.<br /> <br
/> So far so good. One problem I had was I wasn't paying <br /> attention at the server side and didn't notice that my<br /> videos and music folders were set to be monitored by the DS<br /> Cloud. The software makes its own copy of everything when<br /> it's indexing so I actually had my server's hard disks fill<br /> up and seize when it made duplicates of these two folders.<br /> That was nasty. I had to uninstall the cloud software then<br /> go manually clean out the index folders.<br /> <br /> One downside of running my own cloud server is that if the <br /> house burns down, I don't have any offsite copies of<br /> anything (assuming I close down my GDrive, Dropbox, etc.)<br /> <br /> A positive side is that nobody is going to be rifling<br /> through my files like Dropbox has apparently been doing<br /> with some users.<br /> <br /> I'll try to put my experiences with running my own cloud <br /> server into better words once I've had a bit more practice<br /> with the
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