[kwlug-disc] Cloud services

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Fri Apr 4 17:02:21 EDT 2014


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unsolicited wrote:
> Which could also be on your own hosted vm that you permit no one
> else access to. Multiple ways to skin that cat. ('It's just
> software.')

Happily, there's terminology to identify the different setups:

"Autonomous": A service is under your control. That usually means it's
not one of the commercial, ad-supported providers like Dropbox or
Google Drive or SkyDrive, but some GNU Affero-licensed software
running on a hosting service you manage. While you're no longer
subject to the whims of the applicatino service provider, you're still
at the mercy of the hosting provider. http://autonomo.us/

"Self-hosting" takes it one step further, and puts the server hardware
under your control as well. Not for the faint of heart; I've even
heard some of the most technically competent people on the list
express their reluctance at hosting their own services. And you're
still at the mercy of the Internet Service Provider, who may not allow
you to run your own services (someday you should ask Tin Foil Bob if
they restrict self-hosting because they fear liability for illegal
content, or because it cuts into their own business model...)

I've been having some discussion about cooperative mesh networks using
white-space spectrum. That would be the next step beyond self-hosting
to provide independence from ISPs. But I don't know if we'll see free
(as in FAIF) white-space spectrum in Canada any time soon.

- --Bob.



On 14-04-04 04:35 PM, unsolicited wrote:
> Which could also be on your own hosted vm that you permit no one
> else access to. Multiple ways to skin that cat. ('It's just
> software.')
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> On 14-04-04 03:56 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
>> I should amend my earlier email: ownCloud is a self-hosted
>> service from what I can see.
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>> I found a decent article regarding Ubuntu One alternatives that
>> has a few good ideas:
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>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/three-alternatives-ubuntu-one?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=three-alternatives-ubuntu-one
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On 4 April 2014 15:44, CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
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>>> We have to be careful to remember that there's a difference
>>> between an online cloud service like ownCloud, Dropbox,
>>> OneDrive, etc., and running a "cloud" in your own home.  One is
>>> public, one is private, each with advantages and disadvantages,
>>> but I can't help but think that we're comparing apples and
>>> oranges here.
>>> 
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>>> On 4 April 2014 15:38, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:
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>>>> Perhaps we can have a shootout between ownCloud and DS Cloud
>>>> at a future KWLUG meeting....
>>>> 
>>>> - --Bob.
>>>> 
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>>>> On 14-04-04 03:35 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
>>>>> With all the talk lately on the web about GDrive dropping 
>>>>> their prices, Dropbox looking at files and Ubuntu closing 
>>>>> Ubuntu One, I've been looking at an alternative (I
>>>>> currently have Skydrive/Onedrive, GDrive and a purchased
>>>>> Dropbox account.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> One thing that never occurred to me until recently was that
>>>>> my NAS box (a Synology 412+) comes with a "cloud" software
>>>>> package called DS Cloud.  You set up the server software
>>>>> accordingly, then install client software on your client
>>>>> machines.  I've set it up on my work laptop and my personal
>>>>> laptop.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So far so good.  One problem I had was I wasn't paying 
>>>>> attention at the server side and didn't notice that my
>>>>> videos and music folders were set to be monitored by the DS
>>>>> Cloud. The software makes its own copy of everything when
>>>>> it's indexing so I actually had my server's hard disks fill
>>>>> up and seize when it made duplicates of these two folders.
>>>>> That was nasty. I had to uninstall the cloud software then
>>>>> go manually clean out the index folders.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One downside of running my own cloud server is that if the 
>>>>> house burns down, I don't have any offsite copies of
>>>>> anything (assuming I close down my GDrive, Dropbox, etc.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> A positive side is that nobody is going to be rifling
>>>>> through my files like Dropbox has apparently been doing
>>>>> with some users.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll try to put my experiences with running my own cloud 
>>>>> server into better words once I've had a bit more practice
>>>>> with the operation.  But I wanted to post this in case
>>>>> anyone else is concerned about online cloud storage
>>>>> options.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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