[kwlug-disc] Debian "testing" -- not bad

[William Park]

So, I guess, "Toolbox" is their version of "/usr/local/".  I'm 
installing Kinoite now... we'll see how it goes.


On 2025-12-27 21:57, Jason Eckert wrote:
> Re-reading this again, I should add some more clarification - Kinoite 
> isn't a Flatpak-only distro - you can use Flatpak for extra software, 
> but you can also use Toolbox (via rpm-ostree layering) to add 
> additional packages, or Podman for containerized apps.
>
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:53, Jason Eckert <jason.eckert at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     1. Kinoite is immutable (i.e., read-only root filesystem, much
>     like modern macOS), so updates replace the whole OS as a snapshot
>     rather than patching files in place. This makes updates safe and
>     rollback-able, reducing the chance of a broken system. Even if
>     versions match, the update mechanism and system stability model
>     are different from regular Fedora.
>
>     2. You can’t normally add packages to the immutable base; instead,
>     you typically use Flatpak for extra software. If you rollback, the
>     base OS reverts to the snapshot state, so any base-layer packages
>     added after that snapshot are lost, but Flatpaks and containerized
>     tools remain.
>
>     On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:31, William Park via kwlug-disc
>     <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>
>         Questions...
>
>         1. Regular Fedora KDE 43 has the same KDE/kernel versions, but
>         after few updates.  So, what's the point of "atomic" when it's
>         updated like the regular?
>
>         2. Can you install new packages in Kinoite?  And, if you
>         "revert" to old version of OS, then what happens to the new
>         packages?
>
>
>         On 2025-12-27 18:16, Doug Moen wrote:
>>         I'm running Fedora Kinoite. I have Linux 6.17.12, Plasma 6.5.4.
>>         This matches Debian testing, so it's up to date.
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Sat, Dec 27, 2025, at 7:16 AM, William Park via kwlug-disc
>>         wrote:
>>>         (Double posted, so reply to your list)
>>>
>>>         I've been looking for a distro with recent KDE and recent
>>>         kerne*l*.  So, the benchmark was *Kubuntu* 25.10 (v6.4 KDE,
>>>         v6.17 kernel).
>>>
>>>         1. Started with *Mint* + "apt install kde-full".  Result was
>>>         comparable to Kubuntu LTS, ie. v5.27 KDE, v6.14 kernel. 
>>>         Makes sense, since Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS.
>>>
>>>         2. Then, tried *LMDE* + "apt install kde-full".  I was
>>>         surprised to get a rather recent v6.3 KDE with v6.12
>>>         kernel.  I was expecting an old KDE, even older than Mint
>>>         version.
>>>
>>>         3. So, decided to try *Debian* *testing* + KDE.  I got
>>>         v6.5.4 KDE (latest) and v6.17.12 kernel.  Not bad.
>>>
>>>         Right now, *Debian testing* is compiling v6.12.62 and
>>>         v6.18.1 kernels for Raspberry Pi Zero 2W.  We'll see how it
>>>         goes.
>>>
>>>         To those using Debian testing, how would you rate its
>>>         stability?  Is it suitable for daily PC?
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