[kwlug-disc] Debian "testing" -- not bad

[Doug Moen]

FYI, /usr/local is writeable on Kinoite, so you can use it in the normal way, if you want.

On Sun, Dec 28, 2025, at 4:34 AM, William Park via kwlug-disc wrote:
> So, I guess, "Toolbox" is their version of "/usr/local/".  I'm installing Kinoite now... we'll see how it goes.
> 
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> On 2025-12-27 21:57, Jason Eckert wrote:
>> Re-reading this again, I should add some more clarification - Kinoite isn't a Flatpak-only distro - you can use Flatpak for extra software, but you can also use Toolbox (via rpm-ostree layering) to add additional packages, or Podman for containerized apps.
>> 
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:53, Jason Eckert <jason.eckert at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 1. Kinoite is immutable (i.e., read-only root filesystem, much like modern macOS), so updates replace the whole OS as a snapshot rather than patching files in place. This makes updates safe and rollback-able, reducing the chance of a broken system. Even if versions match, the update mechanism and system stability model are different from regular Fedora.
>>> 
>>> 2. You can’t normally add packages to the immutable base; instead, you typically use Flatpak for extra software. If you rollback, the base OS reverts to the snapshot state, so any base-layer packages added after that snapshot are lost, but Flatpaks and containerized tools remain.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:31, William Park via kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>>> Questions...
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Regular Fedora KDE 43 has the same KDE/kernel versions, but after few updates.  So, what's the point of "atomic" when it's updated like the regular?
>>>> 
>>>> 2. Can you install new packages in Kinoite?  And, if you "revert" to old version of OS, then what happens to the new packages?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2025-12-27 18:16, Doug Moen wrote:
>>>>> I'm running Fedora Kinoite. I have Linux 6.17.12, Plasma 6.5.4.
>>>>> This matches Debian testing, so it's up to date.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2025, at 7:16 AM, William Park via kwlug-disc wrote:
>>>>>> (Double posted, so reply to your list)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been looking for a distro with recent KDE and recent kerne*l*.  So, the benchmark was *Kubuntu* 25.10 (v6.4 KDE, v6.17 kernel).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. Started with *Mint* + "apt install kde-full".  Result was comparable to Kubuntu LTS, ie. v5.27 KDE, v6.14 kernel.  Makes sense, since Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. Then, tried *LMDE* + "apt install kde-full".  I was surprised to get a rather recent v6.3 KDE with v6.12 kernel.  I was expecting an old KDE, even older than Mint version.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3. So, decided to try *Debian* *testing* + KDE.  I got v6.5.4 KDE (latest) and v6.17.12 kernel.  Not bad.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Right now, *Debian testing* is compiling v6.12.62 and v6.18.1 kernels for Raspberry Pi Zero 2W.  We'll see how it goes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To those using Debian testing, how would you rate its stability?  Is it suitable for daily PC?
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