[kwlug-disc] Debian "testing" -- not bad

[Jason Eckert]

Re-reading this again, I should add some more clarification - Kinoite isn't
a Flatpak-only distro - you can use Flatpak for extra software, but you can
also use Toolbox (via rpm-ostree layering) to add additional packages, or
Podman for containerized apps.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:53, Jason Eckert <jason.eckert at gmail.com> wrote:

> 1. Kinoite is immutable (i.e., read-only root filesystem, much like modern
> macOS), so updates replace the whole OS as a snapshot rather than patching
> files in place. This makes updates safe and rollback-able, reducing the
> chance of a broken system. Even if versions match, the update mechanism and
> system stability model are different from regular Fedora.
>
> 2. You can’t normally add packages to the immutable base; instead, you
> typically use Flatpak for extra software. If you rollback, the base OS
> reverts to the snapshot state, so any base-layer packages added after that
> snapshot are lost, but Flatpaks and containerized tools remain.
>
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 21:31, William Park via kwlug-disc <
> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>
>> Questions...
>>
>> 1. Regular Fedora KDE 43 has the same KDE/kernel versions, but after few
>> updates.  So, what's the point of "atomic" when it's updated like the
>> regular?
>>
>> 2. Can you install new packages in Kinoite?  And, if you "revert" to old
>> version of OS, then what happens to the new packages?
>>
>>
>> On 2025-12-27 18:16, Doug Moen wrote:
>>
>> I'm running Fedora Kinoite. I have Linux 6.17.12, Plasma 6.5.4.
>> This matches Debian testing, so it's up to date.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2025, at 7:16 AM, William Park via kwlug-disc wrote:
>>
>> (Double posted, so reply to your list)
>>
>> I've been looking for a distro with recent KDE and recent kerne*l*.  So,
>> the benchmark was *Kubuntu* 25.10 (v6.4 KDE, v6.17 kernel).
>>
>> 1. Started with *Mint* + "apt install kde-full".  Result was comparable
>> to Kubuntu LTS, ie. v5.27 KDE, v6.14 kernel.  Makes sense, since Mint is
>> based on Ubuntu LTS.
>>
>> 2. Then, tried *LMDE* + "apt install kde-full".  I was surprised to get
>> a rather recent v6.3 KDE with v6.12 kernel.  I was expecting an old KDE,
>> even older than Mint version.
>>
>> 3. So, decided to try *Debian* *testing* + KDE.  I got v6.5.4 KDE
>> (latest) and v6.17.12 kernel.  Not bad.
>>
>> Right now, *Debian testing* is compiling v6.12.62 and v6.18.1 kernels
>> for Raspberry Pi Zero 2W.  We'll see how it goes.
>>
>> To those using Debian testing, how would you rate its stability?  Is it
>> suitable for daily PC?
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