[kwlug-disc] CentOS to become CentOS Stream

[L.D. Paniak]

Curious to see how Scientific Linux (CERN/FNAL) deals with this.
Historically, they compiled their own SL in parallel with CentOS but
decided to go with CentOS 8 as a base going forward.
I expect they will go back to their previous model as a rolling distro
is not appropriate for most scientific use cases.

On 12/9/20 12:56 PM, Raymond Chen wrote:
> The post on itsfoss clears a lot of my confusion on this. Thank you, Bob.
> My team used CentOS as the base of our docker images when we started a
> project. But we switched to Ubuntu because CentOS didn't offer patches
> as frequently as Ubuntu did. The security scanning kept spitting a lot
> of warnings. With Ubuntu it's much easier, just run 'apt-get upgrade'
> periodically. But now CentOS Stream is more like Ubuntu, right? 😀 
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:35 AM Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com
> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com>> wrote:
>
>     There's already a new fork of RHEL made by the person who started
>     CentOS, called Rocky Linux.
>
>     And lots of other concerns, including the short-circuiting of CentOS
>     Linux 8 from It's FOSS:
>
>     https://itsfoss.com/centos-stream-fiasco/
>
>     --Bob.
>
>
>
>     On 2020-12-08 7:27 p.m., Digimer wrote:
>     > The key here is "and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not
>     meet your
>     > needs".
>     >
>     > I suspect the majority of people this applies to should already
>     be on a
>     > commercially supported distro.
>     >
>     > Personally, we're heavily vested in CentOS and RHEL, and I am not
>     > worried about this change. CentOS will become where they do final
>     > testing of patches and updates before going into RHEL proper,
>     giving an
>     > extra buffer to RHEL itself. I don't see things fundamentally
>     changing
>     > for CentOS users.
>     >
>     > If anything, CentOS users will get patches first... So while one
>     hand
>     > may take, another gives.
>     >
>     > digimer
>     >
>     > On 2020-12-08 5:31 p.m., Ron Singh wrote:
>     >> I wonder if they are essentially pushing CentOS users with
>     production
>     >> machines to get all kinds of licenced up with RedHat?
>     >>
>     >> As per their words --
>     >> "If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment,
>     and are
>     >> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs,
>     >> we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options."
>     >>
>     >> This comes across as, "hey you freeloaders, get over here and
>     pay up!".
>     >> Yeah? No?
>     >>
>     >> Thanks,
>     >>
>     >> Ron S.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:21 PM CrankyOldBugger
>     >> <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com <mailto:crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
>     <mailto:crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>      This announcement from CentOS is a bit troubling, if I'm
>     reading it
>     >>      correctly...
>     >>
>     >>     
>     https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2020-December/048208.html
>     >>     
>     <https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2020-December/048208.html>
>     >>
>     >>      To quote:
>     >>
>     >>      The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and
>     over the next
>     >>      year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the
>     rebuild of Red Hat
>     >>      Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks
>     just ahead of a
>     >>      current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL
>     8, will end
>     >>      at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that
>     date, serving as
>     >>      the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
>     >>
>     >>
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