[kwlug-disc] Epistemic humility and ZFS

[Alex Korobkin]

There is also Ubuntu MicroCloud now, a new kid in town.

On Sat, Nov 8, 2025 at 12:39 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:

>
> > What is the difference between an Incus and a Proxmox?
>
> Incus is LXC evolved, done right, not snap-ed (i.e. Canonical's snap).
>
> They say Proxmox can use LXC to run systems not as virtual machines.
> In time it'll be Incus, like TOFU with Terraform.
>
>  From a user perspective, Proxmox has nice GUI and clicky interfaces.
> In LXC, hence Incus, I ever used five-ish commands. And similar will be
> with Incus. Add two more around migrating in upgrades. Proxmox has
> some bunches of ready scripts to bring up things like CEPH instances.
> Proxmox can be viewed as this higher level, with its own decisions on
> that higher level, internally using five commands of lower level, container
> and vm handler, if you allow this rhetorical stretch.
>
> Just found this
> https://tadeubento.com/2024/replace-proxmox-with-incus-lxd/
> pointing that with addition GUI (in web) (finally), one may start to use
> not only in terminal.
>
> Additionally, there is IncusOS
> https://stgraber.org/2025/11/07/introducing-incusos/
> which may be compared to Proxmox OS (?), and a whole OS setup
> considerations.
>
> >>> We need a "+1" button for some of the emails on this list.
> >> Paul, can count me in with Incus talk, for whenever next year.
> >>
> >> https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/docs/main/
> >>
> >> It'll be on admin-user level of Incus, similar to what I did with LXC
> and
> >> Docker. Recent experience, bruises in upgrade-in-recovery ... not
> >> recommended scheduling, has enough simple things to share.
> >>
> >>>>   From recent experience:
> >>>>
> >>>> If you trying to replace/attach/mess with disks, and you insist, and
> you
> >>>> use -f for it, and ZFS still doesn't let you, ... , then just step
> away
> >>>> from the keyboard. Have some epistemic humility towards yourself.
> >>>> Blindly taking out fdisk knife may increase one's problems
> hundred-fold.
> >>>> Just step away, have coffee, reload the most dynamic part of the
> system
> >>>> -- yourself.
>
>
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