[kwlug-disc] Epistemic humility and ZFS

[Mikalai Birukou]

> What is the difference between an Incus and a Proxmox?

Incus is LXC evolved, done right, not snap-ed (i.e. Canonical's snap).

They say Proxmox can use LXC to run systems not as virtual machines.
In time it'll be Incus, like TOFU with Terraform.

 From a user perspective, Proxmox has nice GUI and clicky interfaces.
In LXC, hence Incus, I ever used five-ish commands. And similar will be
with Incus. Add two more around migrating in upgrades. Proxmox has
some bunches of ready scripts to bring up things like CEPH instances.
Proxmox can be viewed as this higher level, with its own decisions on
that higher level, internally using five commands of lower level, container
and vm handler, if you allow this rhetorical stretch.

Just found this https://tadeubento.com/2024/replace-proxmox-with-incus-lxd/
pointing that with addition GUI (in web) (finally), one may start to use
not only in terminal.

Additionally, there is IncusOS 
https://stgraber.org/2025/11/07/introducing-incusos/
which may be compared to Proxmox OS (?), and a whole OS setup 
considerations.

>>> We need a "+1" button for some of the emails on this list.
>> Paul, can count me in with Incus talk, for whenever next year.
>>
>> https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/docs/main/
>>
>> It'll be on admin-user level of Incus, similar to what I did with LXC and
>> Docker. Recent experience, bruises in upgrade-in-recovery ... not
>> recommended scheduling, has enough simple things to share.
>>
>>>>   From recent experience:
>>>>
>>>> If you trying to replace/attach/mess with disks, and you insist, and you
>>>> use -f for it, and ZFS still doesn't let you, ... , then just step away
>>>> from the keyboard. Have some epistemic humility towards yourself.
>>>> Blindly taking out fdisk knife may increase one's problems hundred-fold.
>>>> Just step away, have coffee, reload the most dynamic part of the system
>>>> -- yourself.