[kwlug-disc] Epistemic humility and ZFS

[Mikalai Birukou]

>> What is the difference between an Incus and a Proxmox?
> Incus is LXC evolved, done right, not snap-ed (i.e. Canonical's snap).
>
> They say Proxmox can use LXC to run systems not as virtual machines.
> In time it'll be Incus, like TOFU with Terraform.
>
>   From a user perspective, Proxmox has nice GUI and clicky interfaces.
> In LXC, hence Incus, I ever used five-ish commands. And similar will be
> with Incus. Add two more around migrating in upgrades. Proxmox has
> some bunches of ready scripts to bring up things like CEPH instances.
> Proxmox can be viewed as this higher level, with its own decisions on
> that higher level, internally using five commands of lower level, container
> and vm handler, if you allow this rhetorical stretch.
>
> Just found this https://tadeubento.com/2024/replace-proxmox-with-incus-lxd/
> pointing that with addition GUI (in web) (finally), one may start to use
> not only in terminal.
>
> Additionally, there is IncusOS
> https://stgraber.org/2025/11/07/introducing-incusos/
> which may be compared to Proxmox OS (?), and a whole OS setup
> considerations.

Watching, IncusOS, ... , you can use Proxmox cluster to make IncusOS 
hosts, and, I bet, you should be able to do the reverse: Proxmox systems 
instantiated with Incus, ... , cluster. Right? One wants a cluster.

We have mentioned on this list containers in containers. This is 
clusters in clusters. ... What was that meme about universally general 
computational substrates, i.e. our laptops and servers?