[kwlug-disc] New meeting location possibly needed

Fri Jan 4 16:51:57 EST 2019

Thanks, Paul and others, for working so hard to get this resolved for us.
We appreciate knowing that we will continue to have our monthly meetings!

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 16:47, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:

>
> Okay. Here is a plan. I am sure it will make nobody happy, but at
> least we will have a meeting.
>
> For January, we will meet at St John's Kitchen. I have not been able
> to resolve the situation with KWIC, and I do not want to promise
> that we can meet there only to be turned away at the last minute. I
> have permission from SJK to meet there, and it is close to KWIC so
> people who go to the wrong place accidentally will still be able to
> get to our meeting.
>
> For February and beyond, we will very likely meet someplace else:
>
> - If KWIC is willing to let us meet for free, we will continue that.
>
> - A few people are looking into other locations. If one of those
>   materializes as a good stable location then we can meet there.
>
> - If we do not have a good location for free, then I will book KWIC
>   for a year. (I hope the offer of $450 will still hold.) KWLUG
>   members have been very generous in their offers, so we can afford it
>   for now. If the price jumps significantly then we will have to
>   re-evaluate.
>
> I am arbitrarily choosing a deadline of January 20 at noon to make a
> decision. If you are looking at a different place then we need to have
> solid plans by then. If we do not have a different meeting place lined
> up then on the 21st or 22nd I will get us booked at KWIC for a year.
>
> If you are looking into alternative locations then let me know ASAP.
> We prefer gratis, but a good place that costs some money may be
> possible.
>
> Why not just pay the $450 now? Firstly I have not been able to get a
> hold of my contact in time. Secondly I do not want us to lock in for a
> year if something else is imminent. Thirdly I am not certain that KWIC
> will remain stable for the medium term -- it seems to be under some
> flux. Fourthly I am not sure what we do for future years. People have
> been very generous now, and a few people have offered multi-year
> support. Can we expect sufficient support indefinitely?
>
> Also note that I do not have moral opposition to paying money for a
> space, provided that we do not have to get into the hassle of
> incorporating, or charging member fees, and provided that the burden
> of paying for the space does not end up on the shoulders of one or two
> people.
>
> Sorry for all of this drama, and for the long email.
>
> - Paul
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 05:11:15PM -0500, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
> > Here we go again. There have been some changes at our meeting space
> > (KWIC) and it sounds as if we will no longer be able to use the space
> > for free. I am in conversation with them to see whether our old
> > understanding still holds, but I am not optimistic.
> >
> > At this point, they would like $75 per three-hour meeting slot, or
> > $450 for 12 months.
> >
> > Here are our options:
> >
> > - We find that we are allowed to use the space for free again. This is
> >   possible but I suspect not likely.
> >
> > - We pay them $450 to book the space, understanding that maybe things
> >   will be in flux again and there is no guarantee we will get the
> >   space for 12 months. This kicks the can down the road, but buys us a
> >   year.
> >
> > - I make arrangements for us to meet at St John's Kitchen again for
> >   the short or medium term. This is also not a long-term solution
> >   because it depends on me continuing to have access to the building
> >   (or a Working Centre staff member who does have access being willing
> >   to host).
> >
> > - We find a different meeting space, probably at some company's
> >   office. Then we are depending on that company's charity in the same
> >   way we were depending on the Working Centre before, but then I am
> >   not the bottleneck.
> >
> > - We look at spaces that charge money. $450 for 12 months works out to
> >   about $40 per meeting, so unless the space is very good and we can
> >   raise the money I am not enthusiastic about going higher than that.
> >   I do not think there are many places that will rent to us for less,
> >   especially since we have no official structure.
> >
> > I do not think it is worth spending $75 to meet this month.
> >
> > I am sending this out before I have an answer from KWIC because I want
> > to see what resources we have. Here are my questions:
> >
> > - Are there people who are willing to contribute towards the $450
> >   booking fee? In principle I guess I could pay it all but I don't
> >   want to. If you are willing to contribute money to this (and are
> >   good for your word) then contact me offlist and let me know what you
> >   can contribute.
> >
> > - Are there other meeting spaces that are open to us? Making
> >   arrangements for January will be short notice, but if you know of a
> >   place (or work for a company that could sponsor) for February onward
> >   that would be useful information.
> >
> >
> > I will try to contact the Working Centre and the Google space to see
> > whether they can accomodate us for the short term.
> >
> >
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