[kwlug-disc] Linux & Linux admin for newbies

Andrew Sullivan Cant acant at alumni.uwaterloo.ca
Sun Jan 21 17:30:01 EST 2018


FLOSS Weekly recently did an episode on the Open Mainframe project:
https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/466?autostart=false

Interesting those those on the list discussing APL, perhaps. :)

Andrew


On 20/01/18 11:10, jvj at golden.net wrote:
> Going OT with the ancient IBM stuff.
> I skimmed past the S/38 and As/400 and know very little about those
> machines.
> AFAIK The VM capability would let system developers define target
> systems somewhat different than the system used for development.
> 
> As a student (circa 1972) I ran Fortran card deck assignments and
> personal APL stuff on the 360 aka 360 sickly.
> A grad student created an APL system function that would read a text
> matrix as a text file containing a card deck.
> When I used this APL function to run Fortran assignments I noted that my
> jobs would bump above other jobs submitted by people who had been
> standing in line for the card deck reader.
> APL - as an interactive subsystem on the 360 - had a higher system
> priority than other jobs, e.g. compiler, assembler, etc.
> My lowly Fortran jobs, submitted through APL, inherited the APL priority.
> 
> JohnJ
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Subject:* Re: [kwlug-disc] Linux & Linux admin for newbies
> *Date:* Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:25:19 +0000
> *From:* CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
> *To:* KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> *Reply-To:* KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> @JohnJ...  I remember those IBM emulator/VM programs.  I had one when I
> was managing a S/38 and later an AS/400.   I seem to recall that the PC
> program had a really generic name like "PCTools", but I don't recall
> exactly.  Would you remember?
>  
> 
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 at 01:59 Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc
> <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>> wrote:
> 
>     (I thought I sent this already, but I guess not. Apologies if it is a
>     duplicate.)
> 
>     That is a generous offer.
> 
>     There may be a call for people to help KWLUG financially if we cannot
>     get a free meeting space for our new home.
> 
>     There are also other items that I have been thinking about
>     fundraising for. It would be nice to get a better projector, for
>     example.
> 
>     But none of this directly relates to your offer. I think that if you
>     as an individual was to arrange for some KWLUG speakers then that
>     could work, but it would be you who makes the financial arrangements
>     (because as Chamunks noted KWLUG does not officially exist).
>     Once you have somebody arranged I (or another organizer) can slot that
>     presenter in.
> 
>     Keep in mind that in addition to finding people who know how to do
>     Linux administration, we would want to bring in people who also have
>     skills at doing presentations for others. Robert Elder might qualify
>     for this, but I think arbitrary people on UpWork would need more
>     vetting.
> 
>     Having said that, I think there are MANY people on this list who have
>     the knowledge and talent to offer some really good newbie training,
>     either during meetings or as a separate event. I would love to see a
>     few more offers from people willing to present Linux basics.
> 
>     I agree that getting newbies out to meetings is a challenge. Sometimes
>     people come for a few sessions, and then leave because the talks
>     people are willing to offer are at too high a technical level (or
>     maybe we are unfriendly in other ways).
> 
>     John got us started on a list of topics, but it is not clear to me
>     which ones are in demand, or are most useful in 2018.
> 
>     I am guessing these will be incorporated into regular KWLUG meetings,
>     as opposed to being separate events?
> 
>     - Paul
> 
> 
>     On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:14:00AM -0500, Ron Singh wrote:
>     > Here's my 2 cents, not sure how it will be received.
>     >
>     > See, I value what I have gained thus from the KWLUG meets I have
>     attended,
>     > the topics discussed on the mailing list, and tangentially, the
>     information
>     > gleaned from a single(so far) KWVoip meetup.
>     >
>     > In the spirit of giving back, I am able to pony up to $50 per
>     > session(month?) to someone from outside of KWLUG, or $400/yr to KWLUG
>     > towards expenses(essentially a sponsorship). I can also support
>     KWLUG via
>     > donations of older(but not *old*) computer hardware as it becomes
>     available
>     > to me.
>     >
>     > If the $50/session thing does not contradict the spirit of KWLUG,
>     I would
>     > like to make contact with a few individuals here --
>     >
>     https://www.upwork.com/local/canada/ontario/waterloo/linux-system-administration/
>     > and see if they would be amenable to doing a 60-minute segment for
>     newbies
>     > and live with a mere $50(or less) fee for the talk and travel time.
>     >
>     > I see a couple of UPWORK low-cost younglings here and here:
>     > https://www.upwork.com/o/profiles/users/_~01be403b78b96c7860/
>     > https://www.upwork.com/o/profiles/users/_~01ae67e5ea9c1e9763/
>     >
>     > and a more seasoned UPWORK dude here:
>     > https://www.upwork.com/o/profiles/users/_~015d41ca163d109259/
>     >
>     > How about Robert Elder?
>     >
>     http://blog.robertelder.org/robert-elder-software-linux-operating-system/
>     > He is quite the CLI guy.
>     > I attended one of his meetings on SSH where I got about 30% of the
>     ideas
>     > and logic being discussed. Should I contact him on behald of KWLUG
>     to see
>     > if he is willing to do a talk on CLI commands. He is definitely
>     not a GUI
>     > guy.
>     >
>     > Alternatively, I donate a year's worth of sessions to KWLUG and
>     everyone
>     > chimes in with suggestions/contact they have to do talks for newbies.
>     > I see one big challenge though and that is how to grab all the
>     newbies by
>     > the scruff and drag them into the KWLUG meetings to benefir from
>     the newbie
>     > sessions.
>     >
>     > I am just throwing this out there.
>     >
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     >
>     > Ron Singh
>     > "in transit, via mobile comm device"
> 
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