[kwlug-disc] Linux & Linux admin for newbies

Ron Singh ronsingh149 at gmail.com
Fri Jan 19 16:54:19 EST 2018 

:-)

I totally agree, it's just that I have no idea how OSes hosted in a VM will
play for displaying properly(or at all) on external displays via the DP
port or the VGA port on the X220.

I have never tried it to see how well it plays, hence my suggestion of a
bigger drive(albeit a spinner) to do a multi-boot scenario.

Thanks,

Ron Singh
"in transit, via mobile comm device"

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:

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> I think this is why Virtual Machines were invented!
>
> Whenever I do a demonstration of an installation, I use VirtualBox.
> This lets me set up a base environment, create a snapshot, practice
> the installation, then return to the snapshot to do it over again.
>
> A bare metal install for an OS will provide lasting results -- you can
> take home the laptop with a shiny new OS on it. But a bare metal
> install doesn't really offer any advantages over a VM for a
> demonstration that's primarily concerned with procedure or technique.
>
> OTOH, it always nice to work on a Thinkpad...
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
> On 2018-01-19 03:57 PM, Ron Singh wrote:
> > Yup, I will be at the Feb meet.
> >
> > I think it might be wise to get the X220 to you before the meeting
> > so that you can do a dry run of the install and make sure all is
> > good before doing the live install at KWLUG's Feb meet? I am in
> > Waterloo and can meet up wherever to hand off the laptop.
> >
> > I wonder, since most folks really interact with a PC's desktop
> > environment and browsers, would it be prudent to mebbe stuff a 500G
> > HDD in the laptop so that you could have multiple installs of
> > Linux, simply for a presenter to showcase the pros/cons of various
> > desktop environments?
> >
> > I cannot justify(afford) storage any greater than a 128G SSD or a
> > 500G 7200RPM WD Black HDD, and I think a 128G SSD might be tight if
> > one wanted around 4 installs to show off Xfce, Mate, Cinnamon,
> > Gnome3, or LXDE etc.
> >
> > Rambling on a bit further, I wonder if I should not just leave the
> > X220 without whoever will be doing any sort of presenting and who
> > might be reluctant to mess with their own hardware, perhaps that
> > person would benefit from a beater laptop?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ron Singh "in transit, via mobile comm device"
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM, James Kelsh
> > <freshmeadow1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you Ron, it will help! That way I font have to overwrite my
> >> existing Ubuntu installation!!!!! Will you be at the February
> >> meeting? We can talk there.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 19, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Ron Singh <ronsingh149 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim, I can lend an X220 laptop with 8G and an SSD(to reduce
> >> install time and make the presentation go a bit faster) for the
> >> bare-metal install if this help in anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ron Singh "in transit, via mobile comm device"
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:14 AM, James Kelsh
> >> <freshmeadow1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would be happy to do it in March. I am thinking to include
> >>> installation on bare metal from a dvd, USB stick, and maybe
> >>> dual booting and installing from an iso in a VM too. Let's talk
> >>> further at the February meeting. Jim
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:24 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
> >>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That would be fantastic. Could you slot your presentation in
> >>>> March?
> >>>>
> >>>> - Paul
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 08:18:31PM -0500, James Kelsh
> >>>>> wrote: Hello all. I have been away for a while because I
> >>>>> started teaching at
> >>> Conestoga College and depending on what school you are in it
> >>> takes over your life. Anyway, the beginner sessions sound like
> >>> a great idea! I know I could still benefit as I do not work
> >>> with Linux but have been using it for some time.
> >>>>> I would be happy to give a short talk on how to install
> >>>>> Linux on a
> >>> laptop.
> >>>>> I did give 2 talks in the past, one on Knoppix and the
> >>>>> other on
> >>> converting an OEM installation of Windows 7 into a virtual
> >>> machine using disk2vhd and running it under Ubuntu.
> >>>>> Just a thought. Anyway, hope to see everyone at the
> >>>>> February meeting. Jim Kelsh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Chamunks
> >>>>>> <chamunks at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What if, in order to help improve on attendance we do a
> >>>>>> beginners
> >>> portion and a deep dive portion of the KWLUG rather then just
> >>> exclusively the 2 hour format where its all heavy from start to
> >>> finish we try to have a beginner section from 7 where we cover
> >>> some light stuff and then go into a deep dive in the second
> >>> half.  This way we can bring more rookies into the fold.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:25 AM Andrew Sullivan Cant
> >>>>>>> <
> >>> acant at alumni.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Robert Elder was also running a Linux basics meetup
> >>>>>>> last year, but
> >>> has
> >>>>>>> not run any events yet this year:
> >>>>>>> https://www.meetup.com/Intro-to-Linux-Command-line-C-Programming/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> He also has some Linux how to material on his own website:
> >>>>>>> https://www.robertelder.org/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Andrew
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 16/01/18 22:06, Joan Currie wrote: I'd like that
> >>>>>>>> as well.   Cheers, Joan.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Bob Jonkman
> >>>>>>>> <bjonkman at sobac.com <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think a presentation on GNU/Linux file systems is a
> >>>>>>>> great idea! Always good to go back to basics
> >>>>>>>> sometimes
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --Bob
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On January 16, 2018 3:34:55 PM EST, Chamunks
> >>>>>>>> <chamunks at gmail.com <mailto:chamunks at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If its a noobie meetup covering the Linux filesystem
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>> things
> >>>>>>>> like that could really help get peoples head around
> >>>>>>>> things
> >>> its
> >>>>>>>> logical to us veterans but it might help to discuss
> >>>>>>>> the differences between the major distros and some of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>> history etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:17 AM CrankyOldBugger
> >>>>>>>> <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +1 on the edX course...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 at 03:08 Sandeep Johri
> >>>>>>>> <sandeepjohri at rogers.com
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:sandeepjohri at rogers.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'd also suggest joining the free Introduction to
> >>> Linux
> >>>>>>>> course on EdX.  I found it helpful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sandeep
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Sandeep Johri
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 15/01/18 01:01 PM, peter_melse at gto.net
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:peter_melse at gto.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> DevOps talk suggestions:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> configuration management (puppet, chef, ansible,
> >>> salt,
> >>>>>>>>> etc.) automated deployment (satellite, the
> >>>>>>>>> foreman) patch management (aptly, landscape, and
> >>>>>>>>> the rhel equivalents?)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >>> ------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [kwlug-disc] Linux & Linux admin for
> >>> newbies
> >>>>>>>>> *Date:* Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:18:10 -0500 *From:*
> >>>>>>>>> <jvj at golden.net> <mailto:jvj at golden.net> *To:*
> >>>>>>>>> kwlug <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> *Reply-To:* KWLUG
> >>>>>>>>> discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Linux & Linux admin for newbies
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In last week's meeting an attendee was self
> >>> described
> >>>>>>>>> as a Linux newbie and explained that Linux admin
> >>>>>>>>> was an interest. As I identified with the "newbie"
> >>>>>>>>> aspect I gave the attendee a short list of topics
> >>>>>>>>> to study. This list (somewhat modified) follows -
> >>>>>>>>> and shows
> >>> that
> >>>>>>>>> I am somewhat dated. And I invite the members to
> >>>>>>>>> copy and and add to this list to help other new
> >>>>>>>>> newbies who might subscribe
> >>> to
> >>>>>>>>> these discussions.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *IX == UNIX (history) (with reference to Tim's
> >>>>>>>>> recap of last week.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Command Line Input aka CLI Terminal Screen Shell &
> >>>>>>>>> BASH Shell BASH scripting tar ssh gnome unity gnome
> >>>>>>>>> vs unity text editors: vi & vim & [other]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Linux admin (aka DevOps) I have nothing to add here
> >>>>>>>>> - and am looking for
> >>> topics.
> >>>>>>>>> (hint: I go back to fsck)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards JohnJ
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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