[kwlug-disc] OT: CIGI talk on surveillance

Wed Feb 21 12:34:00 EST 2018

Now you know...we all need to see that video!

Thanks,

Ron Singh

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:

> At Real World Crypto 2017 I did a very, very adversarial, nailing to the
> cross argument to a Facebook guy. At the moment I thought that my stress
> level was obvious to people outside. Yet, when I watched the video later,
> looking from the side, it went fine, ... fine for a Brooklyn ascent, that
> is. It was a good nailing :)
>
> Speaking in public is just a cherry on David Rock's cake. Oh, yes ...
>
> On 2018-02-21 12:11 PM, doug moen wrote:
>
> Mikalai said: When I was infront of that mic, the first two seconds I
> felt a rush. Make it the rush. I consciously said to my brain "Thank you
> for mobilizing me. Yet, infront of me is not a tiger, and it isn't boxing.
> I need blood in language regions."
>
> YES I have had this exact experience.
>
> What fixed me was presenting a tech paper in front of an auditorium of
> 200+ people at a Usenix convention. Yes, I was paralyzed and unable to
> speak for what seemed like 10 seconds (probably shorter). Fortunately, I
> had memorized my talk word-for-word the previous day, practicing in my
> hotel room. Once I got my mouth moving, the speech came out fine. And since
> then, I have not had a problem with public speaking.
>
> On 21 February 2018 at 11:46, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>
>> Let me make a few remarks here:
>>
>> 1) @chamunks, you sounded well, with only light infliction in voice
>> closer to the end. Even though you might've felt from the *inside* that
>> your stressing out was obvious to everyone. Your speaking was great. And,
>> yey to speaking out in public!
>>
>> 1.1) When I was infront of that mic, the first two seconds I felt a rush.
>> Make it the rush. I consciously said to my brain "Thank you for mobilizing
>> me. Yet, infront of me is not a tiger, and it isn't boxing. I need blood in
>> language regions." This *reappraisal* of *internal state* switched off the
>> distraction and let me talk. Yes, closer to the end of my remark I had a
>> difficulty to find that English word. Of cause, some blood did drain from
>> my bilingual neo-cortex. Duh! :)
>>
>> 1.2) While reading (1.1), you may think WTF he is talking about. It is
>> the same sort of reaction that a person, who doesn't know vim's internals
>> or vim's approach, would say to the talk about "Ctrl- what? You do this in
>> a mere text editor?". Yes, nobody gave us a manual for our brain. Its even
>> worse than vim without -h. So, is there a manual for brain, or a good -h?
>>
>> 1.3) David Rock's dense talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJSXfXep4M
>>
>> 1.4) If the beginning of the 20-th century was a revolutionary time in
>> physics, beginning of this, 21-st, century brings the similar level of
>> correctness and usefulness to psychology. David Rock articulates modern
>> findings in an actionable form, tailored specifically to tech audience. Do
>> apply, and do test what he preaches. Do cross-reference with other
>> research, like you would do it in physics.
>>
>> 1.5) I selflessly recommend David Rock and his book, to all tech folks.
>> Cause from my millage it works. It describes brain correct enough for my
>> brain to be able to adjust behavioral patterns.
>>
>> 1.6) Note that when you adjust a line of code, program changes
>> *immediately*. Does neural net algorithm output (behavior?) changes
>> *immediately* on showing one learning input? No! By extension, don't expect
>> it from your brain either! Repetition and noticing little signs of progress
>> do work.
>>
>> 1.7) Last fall, there was a security-talking event in Accelerator Center,
>> organized by C3RM. The last talk was by ... , you guessed it, by a
>> psychologist! After her talk, mentioning SCARF (watch David's talk)
>> lightened her up, and on my "why schools don't teach a modicum of brain
>> literacy", she said that at least a school with her child is starting to do
>> something in this literacy area. There is hope. Yet, our generation should
>> pick up brain literacy after classes, just like older generations had to
>> pick up computer literacy after classes.
>>
>> 2) It seems to me that this CIGI event, having been centered around the
>> book, was too fear-spreading onto non-geeky public. It would be analogous
>> to talking about car fatalities without mentioning that seat belts can be
>> added to cars, airbags, and that may be cable brakes are not enough for
>> 200mph monsters, and hydraulics better be used. Remarks from Magnetic
>> Forensics guy, coupled with Trudeau socks, were not for honest tech
>> discussion, but rather influenced by some internal context of what brought
>> all speakers onto the podium last night. And the tone was 100% apologetic,
>> pro-surveillance, both corporate and militarized.
>>
>> 2.1) May I humbly suggest buying David Rock's book? It will be more
>> useful :) .
>>
>>
>> On 2018-02-21 12:36 AM, Chamunks wrote:
>>
>> That was fun.  I don't think my question was too adversarial.  I was
>> stressing out apparently quite a bit but I think it landed well.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 4:47 AM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This is moderately off-topic but seems relevant to the group.
>>> Unfortunately I got the word out very late; the event is Tuesday
>>> evening.
>>>
>>> https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/look-whos-watching-surveillance-
>>> treachery-and-trust-online-registration-42212797614
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see what the perspective of the Magnet
>>> Forensics representative will be.
>>>
>>> - Paul
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