[kwlug-disc] OT: CIGI talk on surveillance

Mikalai Birukou mb at 3nsoft.com
Wed Feb 21 12:29:53 EST 2018 

At Real World Crypto 2017 I did a very, very adversarial, nailing to the 
cross argument to a Facebook guy. At the moment I thought that my stress 
level was obvious to people outside. Yet, when I watched the video 
later, looking from the side, it went fine, ... fine for a Brooklyn 
ascent, that is. It was a good nailing :)

Speaking in public is just a cherry on David Rock's cake. Oh, yes ...


On 2018-02-21 12:11 PM, doug moen wrote:
> Mikalai said: When I was infront of that mic, the first two seconds I 
> felt a rush. Make it the rush. I consciously said to my brain "Thank 
> you for mobilizing me. Yet, infront of me is not a tiger, and it isn't 
> boxing. I need blood in language regions."
>
> YES I have had this exact experience.
>
> What fixed me was presenting a tech paper in front of an auditorium of 
> 200+ people at a Usenix convention. Yes, I was paralyzed and unable to 
> speak for what seemed like 10 seconds (probably shorter). Fortunately, 
> I had memorized my talk word-for-word the previous day, practicing in 
> my hotel room. Once I got my mouth moving, the speech came out fine. 
> And since then, I have not had a problem with public speaking.
>
> On 21 February 2018 at 11:46, Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc 
> <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>> wrote:
>
>     Let me make a few remarks here:
>
>     1) @chamunks, you sounded well, with only light infliction in
>     voice closer to the end. Even though you might've felt from the
>     *inside* that your stressing out was obvious to everyone. Your
>     speaking was great. And, yey to speaking out in public!
>
>     1.1) When I was infront of that mic, the first two seconds I felt
>     a rush. Make it the rush. I consciously said to my brain "Thank
>     you for mobilizing me. Yet, infront of me is not a tiger, and it
>     isn't boxing. I need blood in language regions." This
>     *reappraisal* of *internal state* switched off the distraction and
>     let me talk. Yes, closer to the end of my remark I had a
>     difficulty to find that English word. Of cause, some blood did
>     drain from my bilingual neo-cortex. Duh! :)
>
>     1.2) While reading (1.1), you may think WTF he is talking about.
>     It is the same sort of reaction that a person, who doesn't know
>     vim's internals or vim's approach, would say to the talk about
>     "Ctrl- what? You do this in a mere text editor?". Yes, nobody gave
>     us a manual for our brain. Its even worse than vim without -h. So,
>     is there a manual for brain, or a good -h?
>
>     1.3) David Rock's dense talk:
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJSXfXep4M
>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJSXfXep4M>
>
>     1.4) If the beginning of the 20-th century was a revolutionary
>     time in physics, beginning of this, 21-st, century brings the
>     similar level of correctness and usefulness to psychology. David
>     Rock articulates modern findings in an actionable form, tailored
>     specifically to tech audience. Do apply, and do test what he
>     preaches. Do cross-reference with other research, like you would
>     do it in physics.
>
>     1.5) I selflessly recommend David Rock and his book, to all tech
>     folks. Cause from my millage it works. It describes brain correct
>     enough for my brain to be able to adjust behavioral patterns.
>
>     1.6) Note that when you adjust a line of code, program changes
>     *immediately*. Does neural net algorithm output (behavior?)
>     changes *immediately* on showing one learning input? No! By
>     extension, don't expect it from your brain either! Repetition and
>     noticing little signs of progress do work.
>
>     1.7) Last fall, there was a security-talking event in Accelerator
>     Center, organized by C3RM. The last talk was by ... , you guessed
>     it, by a psychologist! After her talk, mentioning SCARF (watch
>     David's talk) lightened her up, and on my "why schools don't teach
>     a modicum of brain literacy", she said that at least a school with
>     her child is starting to do something in this literacy area. There
>     is hope. Yet, our generation should pick up brain literacy after
>     classes, just like older generations had to pick up computer
>     literacy after classes.
>
>     2) It seems to me that this CIGI event, having been centered
>     around the book, was too fear-spreading onto non-geeky public. It
>     would be analogous to talking about car fatalities without
>     mentioning that seat belts can be added to cars, airbags, and that
>     may be cable brakes are not enough for 200mph monsters, and
>     hydraulics better be used. Remarks from Magnetic Forensics guy,
>     coupled with Trudeau socks, were not for honest tech discussion,
>     but rather influenced by some internal context of what brought all
>     speakers onto the podium last night. And the tone was 100%
>     apologetic, pro-surveillance, both corporate and militarized.
>
>     2.1) May I humbly suggest buying David Rock's book? It will be
>     more useful :) .
>
>
>     On 2018-02-21 12:36 AM, Chamunks wrote:
>>     That was fun.  I don't think my question was too adversarial.  I
>>     was stressing out apparently quite a bit but I think it landed well.
>>
>>     On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 4:47 AM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc
>>     <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         This is moderately off-topic but seems relevant to the group.
>>         Unfortunately I got the word out very late; the event is Tuesday
>>         evening.
>>
>>         https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/look-whos-watching-surveillance-treachery-and-trust-online-registration-42212797614
>>         <https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/look-whos-watching-surveillance-treachery-and-trust-online-registration-42212797614>
>>
>>         It will be interesting to see what the perspective of the Magnet
>>         Forensics representative will be.
>>
>>         - Paul
>>         --
>>         http://pnijjar.freeshell.org
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