[kwlug-disc] Meeting Monday: A User Journey; VoIP Security (April 2018)

[Chamunks]

I think that in the future we should be 100% clear that we want to have
archival video and audio available on the internet of the presentations.
Opensource is mostly the foundation of our meetings over Linux itself
granted it tends to be why we're here.

I definitely appreciate the guys from Tellium not wanting to publish the
talk because of the freebie at the end.  Maybe if we bounce a message back
to them asking if we make an edit to blur out the freebie offer if we can
still publish the video?  I would also like a follow up on whether or not
they will be able to provide the slides for download. I recall that Mike
was offering us a copy for download for those who don't make it to the
meetings.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:06 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:

> There is a Russian proverb: "Слово не воробей, вылетит -- не словишь.",
> with direct translation: "Speech is like a bird, once released to fly,
> can't be caught back."
>
> In general, corporations' trackbacking of words, via asking everyone to
> be silent, reminds me Soviet times. I think Chinese, Cuban and folks
> from lawless places sense the same smell. You see, hats, titles, names
> can be different, but behavior, and subsequent damage has the same shape.
>
> Let's go into particulars.
>
> If there was a concern about trade secrets, in this area under Common
> Law (to where you, or your parents and ancestors migrated, as a better
> place) already has that trade secrets are lost when spoken, and if there
> was no NDA signed beforehand, listener is not bound by obligations to be
> silent. Listener may have a tape as an enhancement of one's memory, if,
> of cause, speaker said ok to be taped beforehand. Word "beforehand" is
> important here, tying it to the proverb.
>
> All other forms of IP are open source (patents, trademarks, even
> copyright). You can view it, but can't use it yourself. Hence, there is
> nothing to hide here. By the way, I think copyright of the recording
> belongs to the one who did the copy, but lawyer can be consulted.
>
> If the trackback asks to withheld information about common elements used
> by public, and if there are privacy/security/safety concerns raised,
> withholding such information is similar to withholding a medicine in a
> midst of epidemic outbreak.
>
> We should treat issues with tech the way we treat health issues. After
> all, this newly grown nervous system of our society is an organism. In
> such situations, if we put some little feudal lord's interests above
> those of public, we turn this nice land into Soviet, or Chinese, or
> Cuban land. For those thinking that its ok to do so, I humbly recommend
> considering migrating the land of ancestors and denouncing US/Canadian
> citizenship, to ensure that there is no way back. This consideration
> alone may change your mind about societal tech health issues.
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mikalai
>
>
> On 2018-04-11 10:43 AM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
> > I understand that the audio has leaked because I posted it Monday
> > evening. I still request that it not leak further.
> >
> > We originally did get permission to post everything, but the presenter
> > had second thoughts afterwards.
> >
> > - Paul
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:28:09AM -0400, Ron Singh wrote:
> >> Dang, shame that.
> >>
> >> I was hoping to review the last 15 minutes of the Telium presentation
> where
> >> some decent insights were voiced thanks to some really great questions
> from
> >> the members.
> >> I don't know the member's name, but I shared his frustration with the
> >> extended "be afraid, be very afraid" 30+ minutes preamble from the
> Telium
> >> guy, surely didn't leave much time for nuts and bolts coverage of
> >> mitigation measures.
> >>
> >> At this point I am hopeful that some member had downloaded the podcast
> and
> >> might accidentally forward it to me directly:-)
> >>
> >> My knee-jerk reaction would be to spread the audio to any member who
> >> requests it(if I had it) as I think Telium should be aware of the
> nature of
> >> KWLUG's talks and the fact that sessions are recorded to be placed
> online
> >> for members' access. I am still feeling a pissy about the fact that some
> >> much valuable time was spent doing the extended "be afraid" segment and
> the
> >> recurring bashing of FreePBX, deservedly, or not.
> >>
> >> Loved this April session though, Sandeep's presentation was really quite
> >> well-done.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ron Singh
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