[kwlug-disc] KWLUG is changing

Thu Jan 5 17:39:43 EST 2017

Kanban is basically one big sticky note board to-do list.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 5:08 PM B. S. <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> D'oh. 10-4.
>
> I think I fell into the trap of thinking tasklist, and should know
> better - MS Project is not 'just' a tasklist, and (merely) thinking of
> it that way is counter-productive.
>
> Just pulling up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_(development)
> reminds me of that.
>
> Regardless, someone will have to run (non-technical) point / facilitate
> this.
>
> Nominations? Willing to be 'nomikneed'?
>
>
> On 01/05/2017 04:49 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> > I'm a bit allergic to making people sign up for stuff how about if we
> can't
> > wait till next week that I throw up a public google spreadsheet that's
> > globally editable.
> >
> > Also pre pre planning may be a bit pre emptive. Let me spend some time
> this
> > weekend getting my head around the list that started this discussion and
> > try to Kanbanize it all.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 4:38 PM B. S. <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Even if it were present this second, it would still take time for people
> > to gather, gather their thoughts, and 'publish' them - be it
> > electronically or verbally / in person.
> >
> > Arguably people should go to checkvist now and start doing so. Heck,
> > they can even start collaborating there if they're so inclined.
> >
> > Presumably kanban can import a csv or whatever.
> >
> > The lack of a kanban site this second isn't a hindrance. Heck, just
> > sinking into kanban will be a milestone in an of itself.
> >
> > At this point, arguably, a technical roadmap for organizing the
> > organization is set (or would be found without too much difficulty, e.g.
> > checkvist).
> >
> > Next, and perhaps more immediately, is who will PM / facilitate things?
> > Presumably it should not be Paul (he is, after all, the one who called
> > Uncle! / for help.). I'm not sure if any of the current do'ers could
> > also be impartial facilitators - presumably they'll be too busy do'ing,
> > given their familiarity with the ecosystem.
> >
> >
> > On 01/05/2017 04:21 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> >> @B.S, I'm perfectly fine with the idea of setting out the Kanban board
> and
> >> throwing together an example of how I imagine it working. I have a major
> >> release for a project coming up this weekend so it won't even start
> > getting
> >> looked at until Monday on my end. I might foot the tab for a temporary
> VM
> >> at digital ocean or something until I've got something more stable that
> I
> >> can run from home possibly behind a Cloudflare cache/reverse proxy for
> the
> >> sake of responsiveness and uptime.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 3:57 PM B.S. <bs27975.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mixing many messages here ...
> >>>
> >>> I am completely unfamiliar with kanban, but would happily participate.
> >>>
> >>> On 01/05/2017 02:01 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
> >>>>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just need
> >>>>>    a fancy collaborative to-do list.  This way positions can be
> >>>>> unofficial and the first available person who is capable of
> >>>>> picking up a task can just cherry pick what they want to do and one
> >>>>> or two people can just be responsible for chasing up people who
> >>>>> have checked out items.
> >>>>
> >>>> A few comments:
> >>>>
> >>>> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do
> >>>> so.
> >>>
> >>> Yes please.
> >>>
> >>>> - I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new webhost.
> >>>
> >>> It shouldn't at this time, until participants are so comfortable.
> >>> Arguably it would be a second / different task list. (Friends of, vs
> >>> users of, vs admins of?) Let alone keeps the noise level down for those
> >>> not interested.
> >>>
> >>>> - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for the monthly
> >>>> task list?
> >>>
> >>> It can be both. The latter tasks would be recurring. The master of the
> >>> recurring tasks would be assigned to someone (Andrew), as, as pointed
> >>> out, that master role would mostly be to see that someone is assigned
> to
> >>> / carrying it out that month.
> >>>
> >>> Presumably the initial one-off tasks can be 'archived' well after the
> >>> fact. e.g. This is, what, the nth proposed Drupal upgrade? And not
> >>> likely to be the last.
> >>>
> >>>> - Just because I have divided up the tasks in an
> >>>> arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick tasks they
> >>>> want to work on.  There are not currently clearly defined roles ...
> >>>
> >>> In this context, tasks become roles. Doesn't mean they can't be grouped
> >>> in categories (I assume). I think your original list is more a list of
> >>> categories (tags?), within which there would be many tasks (Roles).
> [See
> >>> that x gets done. x may have a .1, .2, .3, etc.]
> >>>
> >>>> - A Kanban board does
> >>>> not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the tasks. At the
> >>>> end of the day somebody has to make sure that the tasks are done.
> >>>
> >>> This is a matter of participants signing up, and, as noted, picking
> (and
> >>> completing) tasks. Only time would tell / prove / demonstrate success,
> >>> or not.
> >>>
> >>> People have offered to participate. I'm guessing kanban (or any
> >>> collaborative task list), which inherently forces the tasks to be
> >>> explicit / public / visible / always in your face, may now provide them
> >>> a more transparent vehicle by which to do so.
> >>>
> >>> I assume there is a concept of a task owner (vs assigned), task master,
> >>> or the like.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> >>>    > I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of
> >>>    > committing just yet. ...
> >>>
> >>> If all you (can) do at the moment is set it up and be the Kanban (use)
> >>> master / coach / admin that would be wonderful and more than
> sufficient.
> >>>
> >>> Buys people time to join, participate, and become comfortable with the
> >>> beastie. Let's them focus on structure / organization (which will be no
> >>> small discussion), and executing, while for at least the moment not
> >>> having to worry about how to keep the lights on.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 01/05/2017 02:47 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> >>>> That would be cool but I'd personally think that we should keep the
> >>>> Drupal more purpose built.
> >>>
> >>> This message thread is about the admin of the group, not the group
> >>> usage. The site is user usage.
> >>>
> >>> For this moment, this should be a non-site kwlug admin kanban.
> >>>
> >>> Not to say it shouldn't be added later, but I think the 'roles' need to
> >>> be threshed out first. i.e. group admin tasks vs user / group usage
> >>> tasks. Once the 'admins' are comfortable with 'things'.
> >>>
> >>> I could be wrong on that. Running the group being separate than using /
> >>> participating in the group - mmm, perhaps that's a reflection of things
> >>> to date rather than as they could be. Groups run themselves, I suppose
> -
> >>> but to date kwlug has been run by the 'active' few. Maybe kanban will
> >>> change that / spread the load. Engender more participation - at which
> >>> point it would be a site thing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> >>>> I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of
> >>>> committing just yet. So first I would like to get a FLOSS approvable
> >>>>    Kanban solution setup for tracking or project here so that there is
> >>>>    at least one centralized place we can get the overview. Taiga seems
> >>>>    like the most complete and active solution but has a bit of
> coupling
> >>>>    involved plus I'm not certain what I'll do for hosting just yet for
> >>>>    it. I'll see if digital ocean or someone like this will donate a VM
> >>>>    or something.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 2:03 PM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
> >>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
> >>>>>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just
> >>>>>> need a
> >>>>> fancy
> >>>>>> collaborative to-do list.  This way positions can be unofficial
> >>>>>> and the first available person who is capable of picking up a
> >>>>>> task can just
> >>>>> cherry
> >>>>>> pick what they want to do and one or two people can just be
> >>>>>> responsible
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>> chasing up people who have checked out items.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A few comments:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do
> >>>>> so. I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new
> >>>>> webhost. - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for
> >>>>> the monthly task list? - Just because I have divided up the tasks
> >>>>> in an arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick
> >>>>> tasks they want to work on. There are not currently clearly defined
> >>>>> roles because these are the things I am doing. But we do not need
> >>>>> well defined roles. We just need tasks to get done. - A Kanban
> >>>>> board does not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the
> >>>>> tasks. At the end of the day somebody has to make sure that the
> >>>>> tasks are done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Also is there a way that I can send my phone number to people
> >>>>>> without it being published in the mailing list archives so that I
> >>>>>> can be reached if anyone has questions about my maniacal schemes
> >>>>>> for KWLUG organization.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can email individuals but there is not a good way to share
> >>>>> your number with the list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With respect to your other email: Bob publicized our social media
> >>>>> presences (most of which are on the front page of kwlug.org as
> >>>>> well). Are you volunteering to liven up the social media component
> >>>>>    of KWLUG? If it excites you then you should run with it,
> >>>>> especially on those platforms where Bob is not very active.
> >>>
> >>>
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