[kwlug-disc] KWLUG is changing

[Chamunks]

@B.S, I'm perfectly fine with the idea of setting out the Kanban board and
throwing together an example of how I imagine it working. I have a major
release for a project coming up this weekend so it won't even start getting
looked at until Monday on my end. I might foot the tab for a temporary VM
at digital ocean or something until I've got something more stable that I
can run from home possibly behind a Cloudflare cache/reverse proxy for the
sake of responsiveness and uptime.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 3:57 PM B.S. <bs27975.2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mixing many messages here ...
>
> I am completely unfamiliar with kanban, but would happily participate.
>
> On 01/05/2017 02:01 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
> >> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just need
> >>  a fancy collaborative to-do list.  This way positions can be
> >> unofficial and the first available person who is capable of
> >> picking up a task can just cherry pick what they want to do and one
> >> or two people can just be responsible for chasing up people who
> >> have checked out items.
> >
> > A few comments:
> >
> > - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do
> > so.
>
> Yes please.
>
> > - I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new webhost.
>
> It shouldn't at this time, until participants are so comfortable.
> Arguably it would be a second / different task list. (Friends of, vs
> users of, vs admins of?) Let alone keeps the noise level down for those
> not interested.
>
> > - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for the monthly
> > task list?
>
> It can be both. The latter tasks would be recurring. The master of the
> recurring tasks would be assigned to someone (Andrew), as, as pointed
> out, that master role would mostly be to see that someone is assigned to
> / carrying it out that month.
>
> Presumably the initial one-off tasks can be 'archived' well after the
> fact. e.g. This is, what, the nth proposed Drupal upgrade? And not
> likely to be the last.
>
> > - Just because I have divided up the tasks in an
> > arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick tasks they
> > want to work on.  There are not currently clearly defined roles ...
>
> In this context, tasks become roles. Doesn't mean they can't be grouped
> in categories (I assume). I think your original list is more a list of
> categories (tags?), within which there would be many tasks (Roles). [See
> that x gets done. x may have a .1, .2, .3, etc.]
>
> > - A Kanban board does
> > not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the tasks. At the
> > end of the day somebody has to make sure that the tasks are done.
>
> This is a matter of participants signing up, and, as noted, picking (and
> completing) tasks. Only time would tell / prove / demonstrate success,
> or not.
>
> People have offered to participate. I'm guessing kanban (or any
> collaborative task list), which inherently forces the tasks to be
> explicit / public / visible / always in your face, may now provide them
> a more transparent vehicle by which to do so.
>
> I assume there is a concept of a task owner (vs assigned), task master,
> or the like.
>
>
> On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:
>  > I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of
>  > committing just yet. ...
>
> If all you (can) do at the moment is set it up and be the Kanban (use)
> master / coach / admin that would be wonderful and more than sufficient.
>
> Buys people time to join, participate, and become comfortable with the
> beastie. Let's them focus on structure / organization (which will be no
> small discussion), and executing, while for at least the moment not
> having to worry about how to keep the lights on.
>
>
> On 01/05/2017 02:47 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> > That would be cool but I'd personally think that we should keep the
> > Drupal more purpose built.
>
> This message thread is about the admin of the group, not the group
> usage. The site is user usage.
>
> For this moment, this should be a non-site kwlug admin kanban.
>
> Not to say it shouldn't be added later, but I think the 'roles' need to
> be threshed out first. i.e. group admin tasks vs user / group usage
> tasks. Once the 'admins' are comfortable with 'things'.
>
> I could be wrong on that. Running the group being separate than using /
> participating in the group - mmm, perhaps that's a reflection of things
> to date rather than as they could be. Groups run themselves, I suppose -
> but to date kwlug has been run by the 'active' few. Maybe kanban will
> change that / spread the load. Engender more participation - at which
> point it would be a site thing.
>
>
>
> On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:
> > I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of
> > committing just yet. So first I would like to get a FLOSS approvable
> >  Kanban solution setup for tracking or project here so that there is
> >  at least one centralized place we can get the overview. Taiga seems
> >  like the most complete and active solution but has a bit of coupling
> >  involved plus I'm not certain what I'll do for hosting just yet for
> >  it. I'll see if digital ocean or someone like this will donate a VM
> >  or something.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 2:03 PM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <
> > kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
> >>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just
> >>> need a
> >> fancy
> >>> collaborative to-do list.  This way positions can be unofficial
> >>> and the first available person who is capable of picking up a
> >>> task can just
> >> cherry
> >>> pick what they want to do and one or two people can just be
> >>> responsible
> >> for
> >>> chasing up people who have checked out items.
> >>
> >> A few comments:
> >>
> >> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do
> >> so. I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new
> >> webhost. - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for
> >> the monthly task list? - Just because I have divided up the tasks
> >> in an arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick
> >> tasks they want to work on. There are not currently clearly defined
> >> roles because these are the things I am doing. But we do not need
> >> well defined roles. We just need tasks to get done. - A Kanban
> >> board does not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the
> >> tasks. At the end of the day somebody has to make sure that the
> >> tasks are done.
> >>
> >>> Also is there a way that I can send my phone number to people
> >>> without it being published in the mailing list archives so that I
> >>> can be reached if anyone has questions about my maniacal schemes
> >>> for KWLUG organization.
> >>
> >> You can email individuals but there is not a good way to share
> >> your number with the list.
> >>
> >> With respect to your other email: Bob publicized our social media
> >> presences (most of which are on the front page of kwlug.org as
> >> well). Are you volunteering to liven up the social media component
> >>  of KWLUG? If it excites you then you should run with it,
> >> especially on those platforms where Bob is not very active.
>
>
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