<p dir="ltr">@B.S, I'm perfectly fine with the idea of setting out the Kanban board and throwing together an example of how I imagine it working. I have a major release for a project coming up this weekend so it won't even start getting looked at until Monday on my end. I might foot the tab for a temporary VM at digital ocean or something until I've got something more stable that I can run from home possibly behind a Cloudflare cache/reverse proxy for the sake of responsiveness and uptime. </p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 3:57 PM B.S. <<a href="mailto:bs27975.2@gmail.com">bs27975.2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Mixing many messages here ...<br class="gmail_msg">
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I am completely unfamiliar with kanban, but would happily participate.<br class="gmail_msg">
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On 01/05/2017 02:01 PM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just need<br class="gmail_msg">
>> a fancy collaborative to-do list. This way positions can be<br class="gmail_msg">
>> unofficial and the first available person who is capable of<br class="gmail_msg">
>> picking up a task can just cherry pick what they want to do and one<br class="gmail_msg">
>> or two people can just be responsible for chasing up people who<br class="gmail_msg">
>> have checked out items.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> A few comments:<br class="gmail_msg">
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> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do<br class="gmail_msg">
> so.<br class="gmail_msg">
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Yes please.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> - I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new webhost.<br class="gmail_msg">
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It shouldn't at this time, until participants are so comfortable.<br class="gmail_msg">
Arguably it would be a second / different task list. (Friends of, vs<br class="gmail_msg">
users of, vs admins of?) Let alone keeps the noise level down for those<br class="gmail_msg">
not interested.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for the monthly<br class="gmail_msg">
> task list?<br class="gmail_msg">
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It can be both. The latter tasks would be recurring. The master of the<br class="gmail_msg">
recurring tasks would be assigned to someone (Andrew), as, as pointed<br class="gmail_msg">
out, that master role would mostly be to see that someone is assigned to<br class="gmail_msg">
/ carrying it out that month.<br class="gmail_msg">
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Presumably the initial one-off tasks can be 'archived' well after the<br class="gmail_msg">
fact. e.g. This is, what, the nth proposed Drupal upgrade? And not<br class="gmail_msg">
likely to be the last.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> - Just because I have divided up the tasks in an<br class="gmail_msg">
> arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick tasks they<br class="gmail_msg">
> want to work on. There are not currently clearly defined roles ...<br class="gmail_msg">
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In this context, tasks become roles. Doesn't mean they can't be grouped<br class="gmail_msg">
in categories (I assume). I think your original list is more a list of<br class="gmail_msg">
categories (tags?), within which there would be many tasks (Roles). [See<br class="gmail_msg">
that x gets done. x may have a .1, .2, .3, etc.]<br class="gmail_msg">
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> - A Kanban board does<br class="gmail_msg">
> not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the tasks. At the<br class="gmail_msg">
> end of the day somebody has to make sure that the tasks are done.<br class="gmail_msg">
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This is a matter of participants signing up, and, as noted, picking (and<br class="gmail_msg">
completing) tasks. Only time would tell / prove / demonstrate success,<br class="gmail_msg">
or not.<br class="gmail_msg">
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People have offered to participate. I'm guessing kanban (or any<br class="gmail_msg">
collaborative task list), which inherently forces the tasks to be<br class="gmail_msg">
explicit / public / visible / always in your face, may now provide them<br class="gmail_msg">
a more transparent vehicle by which to do so.<br class="gmail_msg">
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I assume there is a concept of a task owner (vs assigned), task master,<br class="gmail_msg">
or the like.<br class="gmail_msg">
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On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of<br class="gmail_msg">
> committing just yet. ...<br class="gmail_msg">
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If all you (can) do at the moment is set it up and be the Kanban (use)<br class="gmail_msg">
master / coach / admin that would be wonderful and more than sufficient.<br class="gmail_msg">
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Buys people time to join, participate, and become comfortable with the<br class="gmail_msg">
beastie. Let's them focus on structure / organization (which will be no<br class="gmail_msg">
small discussion), and executing, while for at least the moment not<br class="gmail_msg">
having to worry about how to keep the lights on.<br class="gmail_msg">
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On 01/05/2017 02:47 PM, Chamunks wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> That would be cool but I'd personally think that we should keep the<br class="gmail_msg">
> Drupal more purpose built.<br class="gmail_msg">
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This message thread is about the admin of the group, not the group<br class="gmail_msg">
usage. The site is user usage.<br class="gmail_msg">
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For this moment, this should be a non-site kwlug admin kanban.<br class="gmail_msg">
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Not to say it shouldn't be added later, but I think the 'roles' need to<br class="gmail_msg">
be threshed out first. i.e. group admin tasks vs user / group usage<br class="gmail_msg">
tasks. Once the 'admins' are comfortable with 'things'.<br class="gmail_msg">
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I could be wrong on that. Running the group being separate than using /<br class="gmail_msg">
participating in the group - mmm, perhaps that's a reflection of things<br class="gmail_msg">
to date rather than as they could be. Groups run themselves, I suppose -<br class="gmail_msg">
but to date kwlug has been run by the 'active' few. Maybe kanban will<br class="gmail_msg">
change that / spread the load. Engender more participation - at which<br class="gmail_msg">
point it would be a site thing.<br class="gmail_msg">
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On 01/05/2017 02:30 PM, Chamunks wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> I can coach or be involved in social but I'm very unsure of<br class="gmail_msg">
> committing just yet. So first I would like to get a FLOSS approvable<br class="gmail_msg">
> Kanban solution setup for tracking or project here so that there is<br class="gmail_msg">
> at least one centralized place we can get the overview. Taiga seems<br class="gmail_msg">
> like the most complete and active solution but has a bit of coupling<br class="gmail_msg">
> involved plus I'm not certain what I'll do for hosting just yet for<br class="gmail_msg">
> it. I'll see if digital ocean or someone like this will donate a VM<br class="gmail_msg">
> or something.<br class="gmail_msg">
><br class="gmail_msg">
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 2:03 PM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <<br class="gmail_msg">
> <a href="mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">kwlug-disc@kwlug.org</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
><br class="gmail_msg">
>> On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 08:09:33AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> I believe that a Kanban will be ideal since we basically just<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> need a<br class="gmail_msg">
>> fancy<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> collaborative to-do list. This way positions can be unofficial<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> and the first available person who is capable of picking up a<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> task can just<br class="gmail_msg">
>> cherry<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> pick what they want to do and one or two people can just be<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> responsible<br class="gmail_msg">
>> for<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> chasing up people who have checked out items.<br class="gmail_msg">
>><br class="gmail_msg">
>> A few comments:<br class="gmail_msg">
>><br class="gmail_msg">
>> - If you would like to set up a Kanban board then feel free to do<br class="gmail_msg">
>> so. I don't think I can promise that it will live on the new<br class="gmail_msg">
>> webhost. - Are you proposing this just for the transition or for<br class="gmail_msg">
>> the monthly task list? - Just because I have divided up the tasks<br class="gmail_msg">
>> in an arbitrary way does not mean that people cannot cherry pick<br class="gmail_msg">
>> tasks they want to work on. There are not currently clearly defined<br class="gmail_msg">
>> roles because these are the things I am doing. But we do not need<br class="gmail_msg">
>> well defined roles. We just need tasks to get done. - A Kanban<br class="gmail_msg">
>> board does not solve the problem of people stepping up to do the<br class="gmail_msg">
>> tasks. At the end of the day somebody has to make sure that the<br class="gmail_msg">
>> tasks are done.<br class="gmail_msg">
>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>> Also is there a way that I can send my phone number to people<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> without it being published in the mailing list archives so that I<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> can be reached if anyone has questions about my maniacal schemes<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> for KWLUG organization.<br class="gmail_msg">
>><br class="gmail_msg">
>> You can email individuals but there is not a good way to share<br class="gmail_msg">
>> your number with the list.<br class="gmail_msg">
>><br class="gmail_msg">
>> With respect to your other email: Bob publicized our social media<br class="gmail_msg">
>> presences (most of which are on the front page of <a href="http://kwlug.org" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">kwlug.org</a> as<br class="gmail_msg">
>> well). Are you volunteering to liven up the social media component<br class="gmail_msg">
>> of KWLUG? If it excites you then you should run with it,<br class="gmail_msg">
>> especially on those platforms where Bob is not very active.<br class="gmail_msg">
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