[kwlug-disc] Canadian hosted email providers

Thu Feb 16 17:48:10 EST 2017

Yes.. the standard cPanel suite of services, including but not limited to
Spamassassin/clamav/greylisting/RBL filtering for email, mailman,
pop/imap/smtp, SPF, DNS, caldav, carddav.  Also VPSs.  I recommend
customers backup to S3 (Montreal) at the moment.  Mainly because most of my
customers are in the area and it just seems imprudent from a
disaster-recovery perspective to backup locally.  I do snapshot my servers
and back them up to a NAS in one of my racks though for quick local
recovery.  For "corporate/enterprise" email I use O365 (many are migrating
from exchange).  I've tried to go the OpenChange route through a variety of
offerings but it just hasn't worked out, and it appears OpenChange
development is stalled.

Happy to offer at no charge cPanel/VPS type services on a case-by-case
basis for non-profits/service groups, though I can't offer for free
O365/etc due to the costs associated.

*Mark Steffen*
Office Direct: +1.226.476.1240 | Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.226.600.0464
*"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln*

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:

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> I believe that KWLUG is one of the recipients of Mark's generosity.
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> Mark, what kind of hosted e-mail services *do* you provide?
> Calendaring/Scheduling? "Corporate" e-mail? Backups? DNS provisioning,
> including SPF and its ilk?
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
> On 2017-02-15 09:26 AM, Mark Steffen wrote:
> >> I suspect that the requirements of non-profit (or even no-money)
> >> and off-site Canadian hosting are incompatible.
> >
> > Just as an FYI- I'm happy to offer hosting resources for in-need
> > non-profits/service groups at no charge (though reciprocal link or
> > something on their website would certainly be appreciated it
> > wouldn't be a condition), and my racks are at a local datacentre in
> > Kitchener.  I don't have a formal policy on it so requests are
> > reviewed on a case by case basis (for example, some non-profits pay
> > their executives six figure salaries; these non-profits can afford
> > to pay for their hosting :-)
> >
> > *Mark Steffen* Office Direct: +1.226.476.1240 | Mobile/WhatsApp:
> > +1.226.600.0464 *"Don't believe everything you read on the
> > Internet." -Abraham Lincoln*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Paul comments:
> >>>> I find it hard to believe that nobody else on the list runs
> >>>> into these kinds of Canadian hosting requirements.
> >
> > Any place I've worked that had such a requirement was large enough
> > to be able to afford infrastructure and dedicated staff to host
> > the e-mail themselves.
> >
> > I suspect that the requirements of non-profit (or even no-money)
> > and off-site Canadian hosting are incompatible.
> >
> > --Bob.
> >
> >
> > On 2017-02-15 01:09 AM, Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> As others have noted, the goal is to get email as a service,
> >>>> not get raw resources with which somebody (not me!) can
> >>>> babysit an email server themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>> I find it hard to believe that nobody else on the list runs
> >>>> into these kinds of Canadian hosting requirements.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Paul
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 02:28:25AM +0000, Chamunks wrote:
> >>>>> There are ways to get email to not bounce you just need to
> >>>>> do a literal tonne of reading. The things that I don't
> >>>>> understand is why you always need so many services to get
> >>>>> email going in the first place.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a good solution I found called mail in a box
> >>>>> https://mailinabox.email/ but it forces you to run your own
> >>>>> DNS server which I'm not okay with that's too risky running
> >>>>> your own DNS in my mind I would prefer it to let me have
> >>>>> the option to use Cloudflare or something.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 4:54 PM Mark Steffen
> >>>>> <rmarksteffen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Paul, I can get you a dedicated server or VM/VPS for the
> >>>>>> working centre. Feel free to message me off-list if
> >>>>>> interested. Hosted in town.
> >
> >
> > Paul Nijjar paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca Tue Feb 14 14:38:14 EST 2017
> >>>> Are there any good, reliable Canadian email providers that
> >>>> host their machines (physical and/or virtual) on Canadian
> >>>> soil? (I understand that this is no guarantee that traffic is
> >>>> not routed through the USA.)
> >>>>
> >>>> This is for a nonprofit (not The Working Centre) that
> >>>> currently hosts its mail through Google. No doubt gratis is
> >>>> preferable for them, but I think paid ought to be an option
> >>>> as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Although my 1998 self would punch me in the face for saying
> >>>> this, I suggested that the gratis nonprofit tier of Office
> >>>> 365 might be a good fit. This is effectively hosted Exchange,
> >>>> and supposedly you can request that Microsoft only use
> >>>> Canadian data centres for your data. This is the standard
> >>>> that I would like to beat.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Paul
> >>>>
> >>>> -- http://pnijjar.freeshell.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>
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