[kwlug-disc] Google Hangouts (now?) a Skype killer?
Khalid Baheyeldin
kb at 2bits.com
Wed Sep 25 19:30:40 EDT 2013
That is odd.
I still have the two packages that your PC is trying to remove:
# dpkg -l | grep python | grep minimal
ii python-minimal
2.7.3-0ubuntu2.2 minimal subset of the
Python language (default version)
rc python2.6-minimal
2.6.5-1ubuntu6 A minimal subset of the
Python language (version 2.6)
ii python2.7-minimal
2.7.3-0ubuntu3.2 Minimal subset of the
Python language (version 2.7)
FWIW, this is the line that causes Skype to be available in
/etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise partner
Try an apt-get update perhaps?
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:06 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
> [Wasn't doubting you Khalid, only saying not what I'm experiencing, even
> now.]
>
> [Pardon the length below. Most readers should skip it.]
>
>
> # dpkg -l | grep skype
> # arch
> x86_64
> # apt-get install skype
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
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> WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
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> After this operation, 1,205 MB disk space will be freed.
> You are about to do something potentially harmful.
> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
> ?]
>
>
>
>
> I don't think so, Tim!
>
>
>
> On 13-09-25 06:09 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>
>> For months after I upgraded, I could not get Skype to work.
>>
>> But, now it is installed, as evidenced by:
>>
>> # dpkg -l | grep skype
>> ii skype 4.2.0.11-0ubuntu0.12.04.2 client for Skype VOIP and instant
>> messaging service
>> ii skype-bin:i386 4.2.0.11-0ubuntu0.12.04.2 client for Skype VOIP and
>> instant messaging service - binary files
>>
>> And:
>> # arch
>> x86_64
>>
>> Here are the commands I used to get it to installed, from my shell
>> history:
>>
>> aptitude install skype (lots of dependencies and conflicts)
>> apt-get install skype (works)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:31 PM, unsolicited<unsolicited at swiz.**ca<unsolicited at swiz.ca>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [THANK YOU KHALID! But no joy - same thing. And this was even with treat
>>> recommends as required turned off, in aptitude when I tried before.]
>>>
>>> Let us know how it goes (Linux / Hangouts) please.
>>>
>>> I've only barely poked my finger in Hangouts, once, windows. Not Linux
>>> yet.
>>>
>>> But I have been playing with quite a number of sip softphones, both Linux
>>> and Windows, recently. Linux seems to consistently do better than
>>> Windows,
>>> strangely, but all have been rather ... broken.
>>> (And Win XP better than Win 7, even.)
>>>
>>> [Strange only in that device wise Windows has often been more solid than
>>> Linux. Not this time. Software wise it's not strange that Linux does
>>> better.]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-09-25 02:03 PM, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate Skype for no other reason that the amount of spam I get with it.
>>>> Everyday there's some hot girl from some country I've never heard of
>>>> begging to be my friend. I know some of you guys get this in real life
>>>> all
>>>> the time, but in Skype it's annoying!
>>>>
>>>> So I welcome a replacement for Skype.
>>>>
>>>> Installing the Hangout extensions now, thanks for pointing them out.
>>>>
>>>> On 25 September 2013 13:44, unsolicited<unsolicited at swiz.****ca<
>>>> unsolicited at swiz.ca>>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Google talk (xabber) notifications have now been showing up in
>>>> Hangouts
>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>> my Android phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see in Chrome (extension and app) that Hangouts can now call
>>>>> landlines.
>>>>> (A for fee service with Skype.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Has Hangouts become a Skype killer?
>>>>> (Have never been able to install Skype on my 64-bit Kubuntu 12.04 LTS -
>>>>> it
>>>>> wants to add a zillion i386 packages / remove a bunch of current ones.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> hoping my next install, probably SuSe will avoid that. Thus has Google
>>>>> /
>>>>> Chrome / Hangouts become more ubiquitous than Skype?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Does YouTube and Hangouts now overlap? To what extent?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not suggesting it be used for kwlug meetings, but it seems that people
>>>>> are
>>>>> using Hangouts for meetings / presentations, not just video calls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Convergence?
>>>>>
>>>>> (Avoidance of Skype / MS / 3rd party on ChromeBooks?)
>>>>>
>>>>
>
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