[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.

Darryl O'Neill ldoneill at golden.net
Sat May 7 01:28:36 EDT 2011


I explained that every DVD has a digital lock.  To copy a movie that you 
own and
have the right to watch on your mobile device requires breaking it.

Sure I could buy the movie again from iTunes but why should I have to.  
It is
not like 4 people in my house are going to be watching the same movie on 
different
devices at the same time. 

They seemed to understand this concept.  Just didn't seem to care.



L.D. Paniak wrote:
> Yes, Linux is not in the vernacular, but did you explain how you got
> your movie onto a BB?  Does RIM have a media market? If not, you've
> already waded into a muddy pool of questions.  For most people the
> problem of mobile video is solved:  buy an iPod and sign up at iTunes.
>
> I am aiming at a more fundamental problem.  Is it necessary for the
> government to specify the system on which I play back my legally
> purchased (licensed) media?  No confusion with format shifting,
> archiving/storage, etc - just pop in the disc and play.  Literally kids
> stuff. Once the legality of using libdvdcss for personal use is
> established, format shifting follows as a corollary.
>
> I believe the sharp point of our collective disagreement with C-32 lies
> in not allowing the circumvention of TPMs for non-infringing purposes.
> This is the point we need to drive home.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 21:07 -0400, Darryl O'Neill wrote:
>   
>> The person that I talked to in the office grasped the watching movie on 
>> BB concept. 
>> Everyone watches video on mobile devices.  They had never heard of Linux.
>>
>>
>>
>> L.D. Paniak wrote:
>>     
>>> DVD on BB is probably a little too abstract for a politician.  DVD on
>>> Linux laptop (with DVD drive) is something that anyone on the street can
>>> get their head around. This is something that would be outlawed by C32
>>> and really highlights the issue we are concerned about.
>>>
>>> Not punishing the law-abiding for the bad behaviour of criminals is
>>> (was?) standard Conservative philosophy (eg. gun registry).  I think
>>> this would be an effective avenue for persuasion with the new
>>> government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 01:46 -0400, Darryl O'Neill wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> There was a Wiki leaks news article about how the US basically 
>>>> instructed the conservative government what to put into C-32.
>>>> Peter Braid has not shown any interest in even the simplest example of I 
>>>> should be able to watch a DVD that I purchased on my blackberry.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that we should still try.
>>>>
>>>> Darryl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Russell McOrmond wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:06 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I think this idea, unfortunately, will be very true in many areas and bills.
>>>>>> The Conservatives no longer having to pander in any way to any other party.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>   A majority government is a majority government, not matter what
>>>>> party is in power.  While I am not a fan of single-party majority
>>>>> governments, it is unfortunately the norm in Canada both federally and
>>>>> provincially.
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Things like gun registry and crime legislation, despite being
>>>>>> demonstratively shown to not make sense, to not achieve the desired goal, or
>>>>>> to not be what the majority of Canadians want, will go ahead without regard
>>>>>> to other voices - be they parliamentarians, or citizenry.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>   While this is the nature of majority governments, it is always a
>>>>> matter of framing issues in a way that is consistent with the values
>>>>> of the person you are speaking to.
>>>>>
>>>>>   We may differ on the importance of registering a long-gun, and
>>>>> whether that is more an emotional reaction to École Polytechnique
>>>>> Massacre than good gun control policy.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Ignoring that for the moment, the concept can still be used to our
>>>>> benefit even if you don't agree with what the majority of
>>>>> Conservatives and people in rural areas (Including the NDP from rural
>>>>> areas) believe on the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>
>>>>> The long computer registry and IT control
>>>>> http://creform.ca/5209
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   At the end of my intervention in front of the C-32 committee,
>>>>> talking about non-owner locks on information technology protected by
>>>>> C-32, I said:
>>>>>
>>>>> "For no other type of property would this be considered. We would
>>>>> never legally protect non-owner locks to all guns in a country where
>>>>> many are uncomfortable with the mere registration of long guns. We
>>>>> would never legally protect non-owner locks on our homes, alleging it
>>>>> was necessary to protect the insurance industry from fraud. We would
>>>>> never legally protect non-owner locks on our cars, allegedly to ensure
>>>>> that automobiles could never be used as a getaway vehicle."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Given what you are feeling about the Conservative crime legislation
>>>>> proposals, I suspect you will agree it is critically important than
>>>>> the Conservatives don't confuse copyright with a "law and order"
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Some of the same groups that Conservatives typically distrust
>>>>> (violent video game creators, sex-infested movies and music, artist
>>>>> unions and people who generally hang around at expensive galas asking
>>>>> for government handouts, etc :-) allege copyright reform is all about
>>>>> stopping bad people from "stealing".
>>>>>
>>>>>   We just need to clarify that it is about unfair taxes
>>>>> (inappropriately applied compulsory licenses), attacks on property
>>>>> rights (TPMs), double-dipping (overlapping royalty schemes), and
>>>>> excessive regulation (Copyright applying to private activities in ones
>>>>> home, purely technical processes like ephemeral recordings/etc).
>>>>>
>>>>>   All the political rhetoric we would like to see MPs express were
>>>>> expressed by Conservatives at C-32 committee hearings -- just not
>>>>> consistantly as they don't yet understand the connection between
>>>>> various issues.
>>>>>
>>>>>   The greatest problem is the lack of technical understanding to
>>>>> realise that TPMs don't reduce copyright infringement, just allow a
>>>>> subset of technology hardware manufacturers and software authors to
>>>>> circumvent the traditional contours of many different federal and
>>>>> provincial laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>   In other words, who are the worst "bad actors" abusing the law is
>>>>> quite different than what they have been told so far -- especially
>>>>> from those protectionist Democrats south of the border :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I'll be glad to be shown wrong.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>   The only sure way to lose this game is to decide not to play.   I'd
>>>>> rather be considered naive than apathetic.
>>>>>
>>>>>   There are 3 people who have offices in the area that  KWLUG serves
>>>>> that could be influential to this issue, and I hope we do everything
>>>>> we can to harness this.
>>>>>
>>>>>   And it would be great for people to "pass it on" to people outside
>>>>> of the region you know so we can ensure we have a successful summer.
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> kwlug-disc mailing list
>>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
>>>> http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>   
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> kwlug-disc mailing list
>>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
>>> http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org
>>>   
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> kwlug-disc mailing list
>> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
>> http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org
>>     
>
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> kwlug-disc mailing list
> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
> http://kwlug.org/mailman/listinfo/kwlug-disc_kwlug.org
>   




More information about the kwlug-disc mailing list