[kwlug-disc] UBB Discussion, look at Cogeco

Colin Mackay zixiekat at gmail.com
Tue Feb 1 13:44:16 EST 2011


25k?  Wow.  Well, if I win on my scratch ticket here, I'll get right on
that. ;)

What was the monthly cost of traffic for the fiber?

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Insurance Squared Inc. <
gcooke at insurancesquared.com> wrote:

>  I'm sure we have the skills. I suspect the skills aren't even that
> difficult.  The problem is getting an endpoint for the wireless traffic and
> dumping that onto the web somehow that doesn't involve Bell.
>
> And that end point connection isn't initially scalable.  Someone's got to
> have something like a fibre line and those aren't cheap.  However if you
> have one, I'd be happy to piggy back on yours :).
>
> Google even tried to blanket San Francisco with free wireless. FAIL.
>
> On a bit of a tangent, I personally know there's at least five tech folks
> within line of site of Colin's house.  Myself, three web designers who work
> from home and a Google employee. One could probably make it work. Except
> then you've got to bring in Atria.   I've priced it out to bring them in to
> my house, near Colin's, and it was about $25K.
>
> It's an interesting idea.  But to date no one's been able to pull it off.
>
>
> On 01/02/11 01:25 PM, Colin Mackay wrote:
>
> Neat.
>
> Well, I'd be willing to start something in the near future, not really sure
> how to architect the whole thing, but it would be interesting.  Problem is,
> of course, that I am in New Hamburg.  I have an excellent sight line east,
> south and west and was planning (hoping?) to put up a TV tower this summer.
> At least we could share Linux distros!  I wonder, if we ended up with a
> large enough network, lets say in 5 years we manage to collect a thousand
> interlinked nodes and even managed to VPN between other geographical areas
> that have the same network...  Could make for an interesting private
> network.  If we encrypted all traffic and data and built it out.  Start
> Internet 2 out as a distributed, encrypted cloud, kind of like Freenet.
>
> Ah, pipe dreams. :)  I'm sure the government would complain once it got too
> big.  Still, it'd be fun to create.  Do we have the skills necessary, in the
> LUG, to work out requirements for an encrypted, wide area mesh network?
> Hardware and software, of course.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:13 PM, L.D. Paniak <ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com>wrote:
>
>> Bender, is that you?
>>
>> You can cover a lot of ground with directed 80211a point-to-point links
>> eg:
>>
>> http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=107
>>
>>
>> http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/popup_add_image.php?imagesID=85&osCsid=206f1915f49fa0097ecf85245a97278c&products_id=107
>> '
>>
>> One could make the hardware rather maintenance-free/ redundant, but the
>> whole system would cost money. I'd envision a non-profit organization
>> over-seeing the show.
>>
>> The real trick is to get a proper internet portal to direct all the
>> traffic through.  Retail is not going to do.  I would include Atria(aka
>> Rogers) in that category. One needs to completely circumvent the
>> gibberish of the CRTC and talk to wholesale vendors.
>>
>> Think Bell will let us coloc a wireless "a" bridge at one of their COs?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:08 -0500, Colin Mackay wrote:
>> > Modified Futurama quote:  (Sorry.)
>> >
>> > "Oh, no room for us on the internet, huh? Fine! I'll go build my own
>> > internet, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the internet and
>> > the blackjack! Ahh, screw the whole thing!"
>> >
>> > I've often wondered what it would be like to get a large area mesh
>> > network setup, the only issue I see is trusting everyone; who would
>> > own the final connection to the net?  What if it goes down and the
>> > person is on vacation; we can't get in to fix it?  How do we connect
>> > those that are a little farther away?   Do we need multiple entry
>> > points?
>> >
>> > It could end up costing quite a bit, in the long run...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Adam Glauser <adamglauser at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >         On 2/1/2011 11:34 AM, L.D. Paniak wrote:
>> >                 You wants to build a mesh network on the west side of
>> >                 Kitchener?
>> >
>> >
>> >         Is there an ISP that will offer a service that is allowed to
>> >         be shared in this way?  Atria maybe?
>> >
>> >         Let's assume that one of us had a fibre connection available,
>> >         and that the service agreement allowed sharing.  What does
>> >         Atria change per GB for usage?  I wonder what sort of usage
>> >         terms would be required for equitable cost distribution in
>> >         such a scheme.
>> >
>> >
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