[kwlug-disc] DuckDuckGo.com -- an alternate search engine

Ralph Janke txwikinger at ubuntu.com
Wed Jul 28 09:44:08 EDT 2010

I thought we were talking about a search engine :D

Otherwise, sure you need to use the right technology for the right 
purpose. I never use Javascript to build a webpage, that's what the 
server is for. However, Javascript can create a more interactive 
experience in addition to it.

I myself have no time for flash because it is not open. However, again 
this is my opinion. In the end, you don't build a house only with a 
hammer. You have a whole set of tools that a used in the appropriate 
places. Used in conjunction you are able to build a good house, the same 
is the case with software apps and websites.

I have no quarrels building websites that are good for SEO and give 
interactivity for the users. Use javascript were it is useful (Site 
note: You can also use accessibility tags to have the information that 
is otherwise not available in text form. We do this with images for a 
long time, just look at good HTML versions of books at Project 
Gutenberg. You cannot solve every issue with this, but a lot, and as I 
said before, you need to think first why you use which technology before 
you do so)

On 07/27/2010 09:45 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Ralph Janke <txwikinger at ubuntu.com 
> <mailto:txwikinger at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
>     > But with search, we just want the text. Perhaps a picture or two. No
>     > ads, no refreshes, no anything else ... just GIVE ME THE ANSWER!
>     If we
>     > knew they didn't have the answer, we wouldn't have gone there in the
>     > first place. And, somehow, not having the answer almost becomes the
>     > fault of the page creator. <sigh>
>     >
>     No. I don't only want text. I want additional functionality like auto-
>     completion of web-forms, realtime updates, etc. Only because you
>     do not want
>     to have that, it does not mean that nobody else wants to have that.
> Ralph,
> You are missing the point on search here. We are not talking about 
> interaction
> with forms. That can stay (as long as it degrades gracefully).
> Javascript is bad for search indexing, just the same way Flash is bad 
> for search.
> Flash is not indexable. When a restaurant has their web site's menus 
> as text
> and photos on Flash, the text never gets indexed simply because it is 
> The same goes for Javascript with things like jquery and the ten other 
> frameworks.
> They can display stuff dynamically based on some interaction with the 
> site (mouse
> over, click, ...etc.) That dynamic text will not get indexed properly 
> in searches.
> -- 
> Khalid M. Baheyeldin
> 2bits.com <http://2bits.com>, Inc.
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