[kwlug-disc] What's the best desktop distribution?

Khalid Baheyeldin kb at 2bits.com
Sun Feb 7 16:17:59 EST 2010


On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:

> If I understand your points about frequency of Drupal updates / lack of
> security updates for older Drupal versions, is using LTS really viable?
> Given you're already in more frequent / update mode for Drupal anyways?
>

Yes, one part is moving fast (Drupal), but at least the rest of the stack
(LAMP) is not, and does not need to be upgraded often.

So the net result is a win: I get security updates for everything, though
the means of updating is different for the two (Linux via distro repository,
Drupal via drupal.org). I don't get the pain of upgrading too frequently or
dealing with compatibility issues when upgrading.

I can see your point is some (?) years as Drupal settles down. You've
> pointed out that Drupal is currently still in rapid evolution. In your
> experience / expectation, is LTS, today, reasonable?
>

Ubuntu LTS is indeed viable. I never had something break on me on a server
because of an apt upgrade. Shouldn't say "never", but at least I don't
recall such
an incident.

Drupal will not slow down in the foreseeable future, just because the pace
of web technology is fast. Even if it does, core may stabilize a bit, but
modules will always be in flux.

There is nothing stopping a Drupal company from backporting patches to
obsolete versions. This has been discussed several times in the community,
but there were no takers.


> Or/and is Debian stable a more reasonable platform for production than
> Ubuntu LTS server (in these particular circumstances)? Either way, you're
> still updating Drupal more frequently / more often than just 'OS' releases?
>

I have not managed a Debian server long enough to form an opinion, although
I helped a few clients with specific aspects of it.

>From what I understand Debian stable and Ubuntu LTS are close enough, but
I just happen to use the latter. One factor is me using Ubuntu desktops,
Debian's
slow pace of updates (perhaps not so much recently) and the reputation that
Ubuntu has a few things that are more up to date than Debian's.


> Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 02/07/2010 12:28 PM:
>
>> Thanks for the pointers!
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Sullivan Cant <
>> acant at alumni.uwaterloo.ca <mailto:acant at alumni.uwaterloo.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>    Something I have not yet gotten around to looking at is this:
>>     dh-make-drupal - Create Debian packages from Drupal modules and themes
>>
>>
>> Some points to keep in mind if you get to try these tools.
>>
>> I see this is in Ubuntu 9.10, but not 8.04 (the latest LTS). So it may be
>> viable
>> for some, but not those who want to run a 5-year cycle on servers, and not
>> upgrade their Linux every 18 months or so.
>>
>> Also, the update.php will still have to be run from the web interface. So
>> I am
>> guessing that it takes cares of files only.
>>
>> Also, the LTS repos have Drupal 5 only, which will get no security
>> releases
>> once Drupal 7 is out (a couple of months?)
>>
>
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