On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, unsolicited <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:unsolicited@swiz.ca">unsolicited@swiz.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
If I understand your points about frequency of Drupal updates / lack of security updates for older Drupal versions, is using LTS really viable? Given you're already in more frequent / update mode for Drupal anyways?<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Yes, one part is moving fast (Drupal), but at least the rest of the stack (LAMP) is not, and does not need to be upgraded often. <br><br>So the net result is a win: I get security updates for everything, though the means of updating is different for the two (Linux via distro repository, Drupal via <a href="http://drupal.org">drupal.org</a>). I don't get the pain of upgrading too frequently or dealing with compatibility issues when upgrading.<br>
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I can see your point is some (?) years as Drupal settles down. You've pointed out that Drupal is currently still in rapid evolution. In your experience / expectation, is LTS, today, reasonable?<br></blockquote><div><br>
Ubuntu LTS is indeed viable. I never had something break on me on a server because of an apt upgrade. Shouldn't say "never", but at least I don't recall such<br>an incident.<br><br>Drupal will not slow down in the foreseeable future, just because the pace of web technology is fast. Even if it does, core may stabilize a bit, but modules will always be in flux.<br>
<br>There is nothing stopping a Drupal company from backporting patches to obsolete versions. This has been discussed several times in the community, but there were no takers. <br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Or/and is Debian stable a more reasonable platform for production than Ubuntu LTS server (in these particular circumstances)? Either way, you're still updating Drupal more frequently / more often than just 'OS' releases?<br>
</blockquote><div><br>I have not managed a Debian server long enough to form an opinion, although I helped a few clients with specific aspects of it.<br><br>From what I understand Debian stable and Ubuntu LTS are close enough, but<br>
I just happen to use the latter. One factor is me using Ubuntu desktops, Debian's<br>slow pace of updates (perhaps not so much recently) and the reputation that <br>Ubuntu has a few things that are more up to date than Debian's.<br>
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Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 02/07/2010 12:28 PM:<br>
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Thanks for the pointers!<div class="im"><br>
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On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Sullivan Cant <<a href="mailto:acant@alumni.uwaterloo.ca" target="_blank">acant@alumni.uwaterloo.ca</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:acant@alumni.uwaterloo.ca" target="_blank">acant@alumni.uwaterloo.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Something I have not yet gotten around to looking at is this:<br>
dh-make-drupal - Create Debian packages from Drupal modules and themes<br>
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Some points to keep in mind if you get to try these tools.<br>
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I see this is in Ubuntu 9.10, but not 8.04 (the latest LTS). So it may be viable<br>
for some, but not those who want to run a 5-year cycle on servers, and not<br>
upgrade their Linux every 18 months or so.<br>
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Also, the update.php will still have to be run from the web interface. So I am<br>
guessing that it takes cares of files only.<br>
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Also, the LTS repos have Drupal 5 only, which will get no security releases<br>
once Drupal 7 is out (a couple of months?)<br>
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