[kwlug-disc] Newbie... Playing with Linux etc...

Shane shane.msg at gmail.com
Fri Apr 16 17:00:56 EDT 2010


It is difficult to figure out if you are dealing with people who don't want to think differently or, to use an over-used term, think outside the box.  Status quo has done okay so far so don't make life more problematic by actually making me think or break free of the herd.

================It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

-----Original Message-----
From: Raul Suarez <rarsa at yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:56:29 
To: KWLUG discussion<kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Newbie... Playing with Linux etc...

Is it that difficult to figure it out?

It is premium support.

- Java consulting;
- MySQL Consulting;
- Solaris as a hook to buy into a holistic Oracle solution that includes HW.
- Selling Solutions, instead of selling software and hardware (Duh!)
- Sub-licensing the support contracts and leverage their investment.

I mean, there are so many ways it surprises me they are deliberating.

When companies require the support, they pretty much say "Hey, take my money, solve my problem".

Raul Suarez

Technology consultant
Software, Hardware and Practices
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--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Chris Bruner <cbruner at quadro.net> wrote:

> From: Chris Bruner <cbruner at quadro.net>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Newbie... Playing with Linux etc...
> To: "KWLUG discussion" <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Received: Friday, April 16, 2010, 4:31 PM
> A slashdot article is saying that
> /Now Oracle wants the community to prove that open source
> can be made profitable <http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2010-April/007767.html>.
> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/04/16/190256/Oracle-Wants-Proof-That-Open-Source-Is-Profitable
> 
> /I think this goes right back to the basic problem of
> different objectives/monitary systems.
> 
> Open Source has a monetary system based on code. A
> corperation has a monetary system based on dollars. If all
> the people who are involved in an open source project are
> hired by one company, how can a project be forked in order
> to keep it open source? The brains needed to maintain the
> project are competing against their own workplace, and I'm
> sure non-compete clauses would limit them. So the brains
> have to come from an outside source. 
> 
> /
> /Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Chris Bruner <cbruner at quadro.net
> <mailto:cbruner at quadro.net>>
> wrote:
> > 
> >     John Van Ostrand wrote:
> > 
> >         Terry, I
> appreciate the point of view of not blindly
> >         defaulting to
> the common choice. I also have that pet peeve as
> >         well, just not
> about MySQL.
> >          
> >     Any thoughts about Oracle and
> mysql, and the possible future
> >     problems with that?
> > 
> > 
> > I am going to cover some of that in my presentation on
> May 3rd.
> > 
> > In a nutshell:
> > 
> > Oracle already owned the transactional InnoDB engine
> that MySQL runs
> > on for several years, before they acquired Sun. If
> they had wanted to kill
> > MySQL then, it would have been easy to do it. They did
> not.
> > 
> > More importantly, MySQL is GPL. Oracle can only change
> the license for
> > future versions, but can't retake what is already out
> there. There are several
> > community efforts based on the GPL version (will
> detail them in the
> > presentation).
> > 
> > Oracle can be several things, but they are not dumb.
> They know that there
> > is a market that their own DB can never dominate (web
> sites, startups, ...),
> > so they seem to want to keep MySQL alive for this, and
> perhaps have an
> > easy migration path to their own DB when someone
> outgrows MySQL.
> > 
> > If you were in their place, would you kill MySQL only
> to see PostgreSQL
> > take its place in that market place? These users will
> never go from
> > cheap/free and open source to expensive and closed
> source and dependent
> > on a commercial product. Or do you try to influence
> what is there?
> > 
> > As always, time will tell ...
> > -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin
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