[kwlug-disc] C-22 ... metadata ... is now debated on the floor

Tue Apr 21 14:33:21 EDT 2026

I've heard a few times now that Proton will sell user data to governments,
in particular if there's been a protest or some such thing..

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 at 18:27, Doug Moen <doug at moens.org> wrote:

> I'm reconsidering my options for which commercial service I use to operate
> email services for my personal domain. Now that the Liberals have a
> majority, Canada looks like an unsafe country for hosting email (given that
> I am uninterested in operating my own SMTP server). Which is too bad,
> because I'd rather give my money to a Canadian business.
>
> Proton is what I'm investigating right now.
>
> Doug.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2026, at 4:43 PM, Jason wrote:
>
> Already got the template response back from Bardish Chagger on my email.
> Will have to find time to pick it apart and respond:
>
> ---
> Dear Jason,
>
> Thank you for contacting our office to share your comments on this
> legislation. Listening to constituents is an important part of my job as
> your Member of Parliament, and one that I take very seriously. Your
> position has been noted. Please provide your complete residential address
> for our records, as well as a phone number, if possible.
>
> I appreciate you taking the time to raise your concerns with Bill C-22.
> The world is changing and the way harms are being caused and the ‘weapons’
> being used are not always physical. Yet, most Canadians expect legislation
> to be current and to have the teeth so that our independent law enforcement
> entities and judiciary can hold perpetrators to account and protect victims.
>
> Bill C-22 was only introduced in the House of Commons on March 12, 2026.
> To follow the legislative progress of this Bill, please visit:
> https://www.parl.ca/LegisInfo/en/bill/45-1/c-22. This legislation needs
> to go through Second Reading where it will be debated, and feedback and
> suggestions can be offered by Members of Parliament in the House of
> Commons. If Bill C-22 passes Second Reading, it will then go to Committee
> where it can be scrutinized and amended. To inform these changes, experts,
> academics, and other witnesses can be invited to better inform the Bill
> providing constructive insights and concerns.
>
> It’s time that Canadian law enforcement has a Canadian solution to go
> after criminals. Bill C-22: an Act Respecting Lawful Access proposes the
> modernization of lawful access capabilities and authorities to enable law
> enforcement and the Canadian Security Intelligence Services (CSIS) to
> legally obtain certain information, data, and communications from
> electronic service providers (ESPs). These authorities and capabilities
> represent the modernization of critical investigative tools that keep
> Canadians safe in an increasingly complex and dynamic digital world.
> New measures proposed in Bill C-22 will provide law enforcement the tools
> they’ve been asking for to combat child sexual exploitation, extortion,
> human trafficking, money laundering, and other serious crimes. C-22 would
> implement modernized lawful access capabilities through the following:
>
> 1.      Legal authorities (Part 1: Timely Access to Data and Information)
> to modernize investigative tools to help law enforcement access basic
> digital information more efficiently while maintaining strong privacy
> protections and judicial oversight.
> 2.      Technical capabilities (Part 2: Supporting Authorized Access to
> Information Act (SAAIA)) for ESPs to allow law enforcement and CSIS to
> access certain information and data, only with a court order. This section
> will mandate how ESPs must establish and maintain the requisite hardware
> and software capabilities to comply with lawful access requests which
> Canada does not currently possess.
>
> The safety and security of Canadians is always a federal government’s top
> priority. Canada is the only country among its Five Eyes and G7 partners
> that doesn’t have lawful access legislation, and therefore we can only rely
> on international partners. Our government has been clear that lawful access
> measures are necessary to give law enforcement the tools they need to
> protect Canadians. This includes to disrupt organized crime networks and
> investigate serious threats.
>
> Rest assured, as C-22 currently stands, includes a Parliamentary review
> after three years of receiving Royal Assent. Rest reassured, we also want
> to get this legislation right and are willing to take the time to do it.
> Inaction is not an option.
>
> Thank you again for taking the time to write. Upon receipt of your contact
> information, we will share your comments with federal colleagues. We hope
> this reply is of assistance and that you are keeping well and safe
> notwithstanding the circumstances.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Hon. Bardish Chagger, P.C.
> Member of Parliament for the Riding of Waterloo
> 360-100 Regina Street South
> Waterloo, ON  N2J 4P9
> 519.746.1573
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 5:47 PM Jason <jasonpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I get all of Open Media's emails on these topics and there's usually a way
> to submit a form or custom email template to your MP and the relevant
> ministers. Here's the relevant one here under Campaigns:
>
> https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1?chain
>
> Related Article:
>
>
> https://openmedia.org/press/item/ottawa-repackages-its-surveillance-backdoor-in-bill-c-22
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2026, 5:43 PM Mikalai Birukou via kwlug-disc <
> kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:
>
> Somehow I found myself reading this.
>
>
> https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/04/more-surveillance-demands-to-come-government-admits-bill-c-22s-lawful-access-provisions-could-be-expanded/
>
> Personally, as a maker of 3NWeb, were 2nd N stands for "No unnecessary
> metadata given to service provider",
>
> https://opensource.ieee.org/3nweb/architecture#-federation-classical-vs-web-based
> , I could be smug with an "I told you so" smile. But.
> Personally, I have on my mind only one thing: please, please, please,
> don't turn this place into worst parts of the USSR, clearly observable
> in Putin's Russia.
>
> Where do we communicate to our reps/MP(s)?
>
> Collection of metadata on all, forced by government, is incompatible
> with EU. In other words, companies from here won't be able to do
> business in 500M population market.
>
> If a company collects all this metadata, creating a juicy target, will
> government protect it? E.g. I have to store financial document in the
> office, but there is Police and RCMP that are a deterrent for those who
> may steal my physical stuff. Hence, we can keep those note paper. But in
> a digital realm, if government forces me to collect a pile of stuff that
> attracts thieves, then it should provide protection. Where is it? And if
> there is none, don't force me to collect metadata.
>
> I wonder, if for modern app, it may be more expensive to capture and
> keep all of metadata, than it is to just keep user's data.
> It feels like a squeeze: government requirements on one side, and crazy
> prices for storage one another.
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
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