[kwlug-disc] G Suite Free not free anymore

Wed Jan 26 11:00:39 EST 2022

 I have several of my clients just using Microsoft's email exchange server online. It costs $5.10 CAD (Plan 1), per user, allows 50GB of storage and gives you an Outlook online client, as well as all the usual MX records setup, exchange server tweaking if your inclined to do so.
Microsoft maintains a high reputation, so I don't have the usual email to spam issues when sending from MS Exchange server. I've tried other email providers, but am constantly battling recipient emails going to spam when sending out email from other smaller providers. The biggest thing that I see is the "Poor reputation". I'm currently battling this with Roger's own Megamail mail servers (used by corporate clients).

     On Tuesday, January 25, 2022, 10:06:08 p.m. EST, John via kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:  

 My friend Luc suggested fastmail, I just started a free trial and I'm really liking it so far. I've moved 3 domains MX records so far. 
It's going to be $5 per month or $50 per year and it looks like it handles multiple domains much nicer than my gmail setup did.
His referral code is https://ref.fm/u26025096 -- I accidentally signed up without using his referral.  😅
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 11:33 AM Paul Nijjar via kwlug-disc <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:

John was posting from the wrong address but has a good contribution.

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 07:48:45 -0500
From: John <john at jskw.ca>
To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
Cc: Chris Irwin <chris at chrisirwin.ca>
Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] G Suite Free not free anymore

I'm in the same boat. Been using it since 2009. I have a postfix setup but
I don't want to move their because email is the kind of thing that I want
to have a good uptime for.

GSuite seems a little pricey. So I'm going to be shopping around for
alternatives.

My understanding is that my purchases made on YouTube and the app store
should still be available through my GSuite credentials. Before the May
deadline I'll switch my MX records away from the Google ones and my
Gmail/docs/chat will stop working but I should still be able to sign into
it on my phone for app/YouTube purchases. Would be nice if I could transfer
them to a personal Gmail account though.

On Sun., Jan. 23, 2022, 01:12 Chris Irwin via kwlug-disc, <
kwlug-disc at kwlug.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:24:02PM -0500, Nickle, Brian wrote:
> >I have used Google Apps pretty much since their inception to host my
> >personal domain email.  However as of May Google will not allow free
> >hosting and wants me to pay $7.80/month/user (i have 6).  I'm not really
> >keen on self hosting email (too much upkeep).  What I wonder is how are
> >others hosting their domains and email these days?
>
> Same here. I self-hosted before I moved in 2008, and switched to Google
> Apps "temporarily" to avoid downtime. It turns out, I didn't miss self
> hosting.
>
> I'm dealing with three single-user domains, not three users on one
> domain, because google only allowed the additional domains to be aliases
> at the time, and that isn't what I wanted.
>
> Since then, Android has come along, so that's the primary login for our
> phones. So it's not "just" email now.
>
> >One of my biggest concerns is my personal domain account is my primary
> >google account for my android devices.  It is trivial to move my email but
> >I have concerns regarding losing access to my play store purchases (apps,
> >movies, books) also will miss nice things like calendar and storage and
> >chat. Google hasn't released many details on this change it seems like
> most
> >articles are just speculating.  If anyone has any good sources of info I
> >would welcome them.
>
> All three of us also pay $28/year for additional storage (for photos).
> So the google bill will be significant -- $365/year!!!
>
> Curiously, free gmail accounts can share their storage addon as a
> "Family" -- something we can't do with domain accounts. So we'd only pay
> $40/year for storage (200GB), rather than $28/user/year (100GBx3).
>
> As you said, moving email is easy (and honestly, calendar/contacts isn't
> much harder).
>
> Losing app purchases sucks -- but rebuying is significantly less than a
> one year bill from Google (and a lot of my app purchases are for EOL
> apps anyway).  I never used their books or movies.
>
> My major, major hangup is photos. Ideally, I'd prefer to use something
> more privacy-centric for photos, but I just can't get anything close to
> the convenience of being able to search "Alexis Van" and getting a photo
> of my wife with a "Mystery Machine" replica at a car show 10 years ago.
>
> There also doesn't seem to be a good way to move photos to another
> account.  I just finished a Google Takeout of my photos (80GB) and will
> try uploading that into a gmail account to test.
>
> >I don't have a problem paying for email and services but $42 /month is
> >a little steep.
>
> Ditto. Personally I moved my email to fastmail a few years ago. Just me
> (not the other two domains), and just email/contacts/calendar (I still
> use my google account for android, photos, and apps, as mentioned
> above).
>
> I settled on them because:
>
>      1. They work on open source (Cyrus IMAP) and are trying to get a new
>      email spec adopted (JMAP). I've used the former, and the latter
>      sounds interesting.
>
>      2. They support standard protocols -- IMAP, CalDAV, CardDAV, (and
>      JMAP, if you want to count that).
>
>      3. They don't do ads, or free accounts (They do a free trial
>      though).
>
>      4. They've been doing this longer than gmail existed.
>
> Their pricing isn't exactly stellar though. A basic account is
> USD$30/year/user. I have more than 2GB of mail, so I'm paying
> USD$50/year. That's a lot when you consider it's *just* email. But they
> also only make their money from this, not from data mining and ads... So
> pick your poison I guess.
>
> --
> Chris Irwin
>
> email:   chris at chrisirwin.ca
>   xmpp:   chris at chrisirwin.ca
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>
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