[kwlug-disc] Skype (replacement)

Wed Nov 29 02:20:05 EST 2017

As a result I got an invite to the "Wire World Group", started by Siim
Teller of Wire.  Connect with me on Wire (I'm @BobJonkman) and I can
add KWLUGgers to the group too. There's also a KWVoIP group, and we
can start our own KWLUG group.

- --Bob, who intends to spin up a Matrix instance any day now.

On 2017-11-28 09:49 PM, Hubert Chathi wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:26:29 -0500, Keefer Rourke
> <mail at krourke.org> said:
> 
>>> Matrix has been open and federated from the beginning, whereas
>>> Wire only recently open sourced their server code, and as far
>>> as I know, they still don't support federation.
> 
>> I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Wire has
>> laid plans publicly for self-hosting and federation, and is *now*
>> fully open- source; for whatever reasons (I suspect code-quality
>> or readiness to publish since it was in beta until recently) it
>> was kept behind closed doors. What makes software philosophically
>> superior depending on when it was open-sourced? Linux didn't
>> start out as FLOSS for instance.
> 
> The point is that, at least to me, Matrix *feels* more like a open 
> source community project, whereas Wire *feels* more like a
> centralized project that allows other people to tinker with their
> code.  It's just the impression that I get, whether not it's the
> truth. It's reflected not only in when it was open-sourced (the
> fact that it took a long time for Wire to open their code (and the
> fact that their server code still doesn't have build instructions)
> makes it seem like they don't "get" open source), but also in the
> fact that, for example:
> 
> - Matrix includes links to alternative clients, libraries, servers,
> etc. - Matrix has published fairly detailed specifications for how
> clients talk to servers, and how servers talk to each other - Wire
> doesn't seem to have any official place for community discussion
> 
> Having been in the Matrix community for a while, and not having
> any experience with Wire, I'm probably biased, and given that it's
> still the early days of Wire's open sourcing, things may change in
> the future, but that is the impression that I get of the two
> projects.
> 
>> I think we're comparing apples to oranges here...
> 
>>> Looking at Wire's features page, it looks like it has several 
>>> limitations that Matrix does not have.  For example, it only
>>> supports 128 members in a group chat (one (unencrypted) Matrix
>>> room I'm in has over 11,000 members, and the largest encrypted
>>> Matrix room I'm in has 172 members), which means that Wire
>>> can't be used as an IRC replacement,
> 
>> Skype and most other video-first platforms don't support that
>> many users in a group at a time. Wire makes for an acceptable
>> Skype replacement, but I never said anything about replacing IRC?
>> What's wrong with IRC? Long live IRC!
> 
> Sure, if your only aim is to replace Skype, then Wire is probably
> fine. I personally would rather, where possible, to have one app
> that can handle multiple uses.  Matrix gives me everything from 1:1
> communication and larger group chats.  I can even join the IRC
> channels that I want to with it.  But then again, I don't do many
> 1:1 chats, so the deficiencies in that area of Riot's 1:1 chat UI
> don't affect me much.
> 
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