[kwlug-disc] Which desktop?

[B.S.]

On 14-10-30 09:44 AM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:59 AM, B.S. <bs27975 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> So, larger community, more likely to get fixes and support, ...etc.
>>
>> Right, well ... maybe. Remember, the OP to which this is responding (firing
>> up Skype, perhaps for a one or only a few off) (let alone being KDE users) -
>> kde, which is essentially to say, qt based.
>
> I like qt stuff much better than gtk. Gtk stuff looks awful on KDE.
>
> You convinced me to consider lxqt instead of xfce.
>
> But, this is still in the far future, not now.
 >
 > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/changes-planned-for-lubuntu-14-10

Agreed. Like I said, just something to keep an eye on. What made me 
start poking was the idea of a lighter qt based desktop than kde/kubuntu 
[kdepim/koffice not looking to ever be cross-/platform compatible], and 
more that the 'distro' really only being a gui interface to the things 
that actually matter - the app.

So even if not real today, an intermediate qt based light solution may 
be prudent. Note though, as you say, not for production. [Production 
ain't broke, not looking to fix it.]

However, given the speed at which I'm seeing my XT vbox run, (i7-2600k, 
Quad+HT 3.4GHz, 16GB), I have been thinking about some vm's as 'app 
environments'. Be it e-mail (for discipline to put away and/or survive 
hardware failure), or browser profiles / personas / environment (per 
gmail/sync account). For those use cases, a lighter qt non-kde based 
desktop seems prudent. [Chrome allows multiple simultaneous instances 
with different profiles, but thunderbird and firefox do not, AFAIK.]

Let alone some day I'll check out what speed difference there is if the 
vm is on an SSD! Hmmm.

> Even if it was out in 14.10, I have learned the lesson never to run
> non-LTS releases on production machines (including my main desktop).
 >
 >>> Not an urgent thing. Perhaps not before 2016 when the next LTS 
comes out.

Also agreed. I was reluctant to try 14.04 after the initial issues of 
12.04, but so far so good - not that I've really used it hard. The 
distro is a means to an end, not the end itself, and the moving target 
of the intermediate releases has long since gotten old.

However, if the above vm's work out, I may initially try some future 
(gui) production machine with something lxqt like. If it feels sour, the 
vm's will still be there to connect with via a different distro install. 
(Actual distro install being fairly quick.) If non-gui, no reason to 
stray from ubuntu server or even debian testing. But that's a different 
beastie.

In the mean time, as per my prior, looks like I need to more fully 
migrate to btrfs so I can snapshot. Not a fun or quick process.

>> I don't think the next LTS coming out much bears. Ubuntu server, which is to
>> say, the repositories that come with it, will probably always be your de
>> rigeur system - for all the reasons you state. But, there is no desktop
>> inherent to that - so such is a different question / debate / answer.
>>
>> Did come across these, which seems encouraging in the sense of this
>> reasoning seeming likely to hold water.
>>
>> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/12/install-lxqt-via-ppa-in-ubuntu-14-04-13-10/
>>
>> http://xpressubuntu.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/installing-the-lightweight-lxde-qt-desktop/
>>
>> Perhaps I'll even getting around to trying one of these with the next vm.
>> Probably not long after Monday. (-:
>
> You are too adventurous (again production machines and all that).

Nah, not production, let alone if not my 'personal' production, not gui 
anyways, so none of this is in play.

Thus Monday will be important / informative. Particularly surrounding a 
non-gui vm with remote X / rdp / vnc capability. Wouldn't need / want 
the gui on a production vm most of the time. Unlike yourself, whom as 
far as I know you never want a gui / browser server giving you as much 
gui as you're interested in. (And thus not itself being / needing a 'gui'.)

> Let us know who it goes, and then by 16.04 we see how things evolved
> and maybe switch then ...

Agreed in terms of time frame.

However, since you're now the vm guru of the list [whether you like it 
or not (-: ], I suspect you'll be firing one of these gui's up yourself 
in a vm long before that time frame ends. (-:


>> On 14-10-29 02:50 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:45 PM, B.S. <bs27975 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 14-10-29 12:54 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the heads up. I was considering Slackware as a possible
>>>>> future option, but I will stick with KDE, or Xubuntu ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> lxde (LXDE-Qt / Razor-qt) ? lubuntu? or to come lxqt variants?
>>>
>>>
>>> Xubuntu seems to be more used than Lubuntu or even Kubuntu.
>>> As per here
>>>
>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/10/ubuntu-10-years-user-survey-results
>>>
>>> So, larger community, more likely to get fixes and support, ...etc.
>>>
>>> Not an urgent thing. Perhaps not before 2016 when the next LTS comes out.