[kwlug-disc] Cable internet providers

[unsolicited]

 > How can that work if two modems use the same frequencies?

They don't. With high speed cable internet came the use of channels 
within the frequencies, which are then bonded.

At least currently, there are so many channels available that two 
services aren't going to starve each other for sufficient channels.

(In any case, my intention at the time was to keep Rogers, order the 
2nd, once the new was proven up, disconnect the Rogers and drive it to 
the Rogers video store. i.e. At no time did I expect to have two 
services actually live.)

(This is also apparently the only way to cancel Rogers service 
immediately - over the phone you give 30 days notice, but you can also 
take your device in and service gets cancelled effective that day.)

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Andrew's note reminds me ...

If you look at the modem web page, it will show the channels used. 
Definitely more than 1.

I think some will use more than 4 now, don't remember if provider will, 
yet. I seem to remember one advantage of a prior acanac/rogers approved 
modem was up to 6 channels, and the one that came after, 8.

Andrew's note also reminds me - we forget, cable internet / Rogers has 
up to something like 10 subscribers on the same piece of cable in a 
loop. (Unlike Bell twisted pair / point to point.) [Thus a Rogers 
subscriber can attack their Rogers neighbour directly, while Bell 
subscribers can't. Seems to me there's even specific language about this 
in the Rogers/resellers ToS/ToU.]

Seems to me I remember encountering this first when people were looking 
for redundant internet service. It never made sense to me to bind a 
5Mbps telco twisted pair with a +8Mbps cable internet (evenly 
distributed load balancing by rotating TCP sessions would always leave 
one going faster than the other, so some other scheduling schema was 
going to make more sense.) At the same time, it didn't make sense to me 
if going for redundancy to depend upon the same physical piece of 
copper. (Dual cable internet service.)

Also, don't forget Rogers internet / TV / phone all on same cable is 
actually each using some of the (essentially inexhaustible) bands 
available. e.g. TV is still being delivered via internet, just a private 
back end Rogers endpoint - yet all on the same cable. Being a private 
service, there are no band regulatory restrictions (?). (Except basic 
cable TVs can only tune certain frequencies. Outside of that, infinite 
bandwidth / frequencies.)

So, the Rogers TV box is also just a digital (network) terminal on the 
private backbone, delivering/translating audio/video out.

Which is all part of why I hate Rogers - I'm paying for a pipe, give me 
the whole pipe. None of this this is your section of the pipe, this is not.

And why I call their home phone VoIP - which is what it is. Private 
endpoint be darned. To heck with marketing speak. It's all just VoIP!

<tthhpptt>

On 14-06-04 10:29 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:15 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
>
>> You can order a second cable internet service over the same cable,
>
>
> How can that work if two modems use the same frequencies?
>
>
>> The installation issues seem to be common and universal across Rogers
>> resellers
>
>
> VMedia says on their web site that the installation is done by a Rogers
> technician.
>
>
>> If you already have cable internet, a technician is not supposed to be
>> needed
>
>
> And that is why Start waive the fee. You already have an active wire with
> the service, so it is just backend stuff that needs to change.
>
> Too bad their new plans are not attractive anymore with the 200GB cap.
>
>
>
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