[kwlug-disc] What is all this about systemd?

[Ralph Janke]

On 2014-07-18 20:10, unsolicited wrote:
> On 14-07-18 06:34 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Chris Irwin <chris at chrisirwin.ca> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Ubuntu so far, upstart is the init system. It generally stays out 
>>> of
>>> the way. Only one time I needed to deal with it, because MySQL would 
>>> not
>>> start, and had to find out that it logged to a different destination
>>> (/var/log/upstart). Other than that, it is transparent.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Upstart had some serious shortcomings as an init system.
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>> 
>> Why do you say an init script can't be disabled?
> 
> My sense from the comment was 'had'. Not that it does today.
> 
>>> I don't understand why community and systemd must be opposed?
>>> 
>> 
>> This was in response to a comment about corporate influence and such, 
>> which
>> is absent in Debian's case.
> 
> Not entirely so.
> 
> At least in the sense that the *buntu's and others are Debian based.
> 
> And, as you noted not long ago, you prefer *buntu over Debian.
> 
> Debian may not itself be (significantly?) corporate influenced, but
> its derivatives that many (most?) depend upon are.
> 
> To Ralph's note, it's not about our distro choices as individuals -
> it's about the enterprise's choice of popular distros by which we put
> food in our mouths. We develop expertise where the market has demand
> for it. And, it seems to me, enterprises tend to stick with the larger
> distros.
> 

I understand your frustration about the decision making of corporations.
However, I think the flaws in that decision making are the opportunities
for small businesses and independent professionals. So, let's put this
argument on its head and bet on the ingenuity of entrepreneurs and the
general empowerment of the "non-capital" classes to change the whole
market. Any of those bad decisions by the inefficiency of redtape allows
more creative forms of organisations to first find their niches and 
later
take over the market.

Big (usually public) corporations rarely make very good decisions in 
regards
of IT. Most decisions are made rather on fear than possibilities. The 
wisdom
I heard most in IT departments was: "Nobody has never been fired for
choosing Microsoft Windows". The individuals who make those decisions 
often
do not even understand what this thread is about. They think about 
support
contracts and quite frankly someone to yell at when their boss is giving 
them
pressure. And despite all of that, Linux is used now in the big majority 
of
those organisations. So, will slowly, they will also in the end be swept 
up
be the innovation of better choices. Bad choices always have an 
expiration
date.

Hence. while I understand your frustration with the current situation, I 
as
well work for a long time in the corporate world, I also have found a 
way to
escape it, and wish many more to be able to do the same.

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