[kwlug-disc] Fwd: Re:

CrankyOldBugger crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 11:41:22 EST 2014


That's what I suspected.  Thanks.

There's a bunch of vids on youtube about MythTV; that software looks very
promising.

I've sent an email off to the unbound guys.  Waiting to hear back from them.

The way I look at it is that I pay $80/month for satellite from Bell, which
I really don't use a whole lot. Just enough to keep needing it from month
to month.  But if I can downsize my family's viewing habits to an
essentially free OTA solution, then the initial cash outlay will get paid
back quick enough.

On that note, in a short while I will have three Bell receivers and one
dish for sale if anyone's interested...  I wonder if the receivers can be
repurposed?



On 26 February 2014 11:34, Jason Locklin <locklin.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

> Digital is all or nothing. If you have a marginal signal, though, you
> will get what is essentially packet loss in a MPEG2 stream, so you get
> artifacts like horizontal bars of missing pixels (all one colour), and
> audio dropouts or squawks. Unlike analogue, you really can't just watch
> a poor signal as it's incredibly jarring, but as long as there is a
> decent signal, it should look perfect.
> -Jason
>
> On Wed 26 Feb 2014 11:26:14 AM EST, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
> > Great stuff, Jason, thanks!
> >
> > Let me ask a really dumb question.  Remember I haven't played with
> > antennas since the days when we could only get three channels anyway..
> > But in HDTV broadcasts, what will I see onscreen if it's a "weak"
> > signal?  Snow? flickering? Or does HDTV automagically correct the
> > picture as it goes?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 February 2014 11:20, Jason Locklin <locklin.jason at gmail.com
> > <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     -------- Original Message --------
> >     Subject: Re:
> >     Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:15:46 -0500
> >     From: Jason Locklin <locklin.jason at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>>
> >     To: CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>>
> >
> >     Off brands tend to be cheap copies that don't hold up to weather. If
> >     they have internal amps, they are also often terrible. If you are
> >     doing
> >     the indoor or attic antenna, the cheap unamplified ones may work fine
> >     for many years, but if you are going to invest the time into doing
> >     something outdoor, I would only go Wineguard/Channel Master/Antennas
> >     Direct. A good antenna install should last a decade or more, and
> going
> >     up on the roof to fix things is not so fun. All your weak signals are
> >     UHF, so a UHF-only antenna like one of the 4-bay antennas should work
> >     fine. There are only a few places that sell these brands around here.
> >     My ChannelMaster originally came from Neutron Electronics in Guelph a
> >     few years back, but I have never had to return anything there. The
> >     only
> >     place with a significant online presence in Ontario is
> >     SaveAndReplay in
> >     Mississauga. They sponsor the OTA forum on Digitalhome.ca, and I have
> >     heard lots of positive things about them. Some of the Antenna
> >     installers around here are also dealers of those brands, so you could
> >     call around.
> >
> >     Note: CHCH and the new CHCJ (CTV2 Hamilton) are really strong. You
> >     should be able to pull them off the side of an antenna pointed at
> >     Toronto.
> >
> >     Also note: *If* you can pick up CITY-TV from Toronto, then you can
> >     easily get CBC (it's much stronger), and probably both OMNI's. All
> the
> >     CN Tower stations have improved in recent years, and that doesn't
> seem
> >     to be reflected on the databases.
> >     -Jason
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Wed 26 Feb 2014 10:40:09 AM EST, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
> >     > Well, if I'm reading TVFool correctly, I should get:
> >     >
> >     > Internal antenna:
> >     > CKCO
> >     > CIII (Global)
> >     > TVO (CICO)
> >     >
> >     > Attic antenna:
> >     > Crossroads (CITS)
> >     > CHCH
> >     >
> >     > Roof-mount:
> >     > CITY-TV
> >     > CFTO
> >     > TVO (CICA)
> >     > CHCJ
> >     >
> >     > from then on it fades to grey...
> >     >
> >     > So apparently I will need to go up on the roof and mount an
> >     antenna on
> >     > the chimney at some point after the snow clears...
> >     >
> >     > Do you guys know if there's a big difference between no-name and
> >     brand
> >     > name antennas?  What sort of features should I be looking for?
> >     >
> >     > It just occurred to me that I've been a satellite TV user since the
> >     > early 80's.  Remember those big 6ft dishes?
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On 26 February 2014 10:18, Jason Locklin
> >     <locklin.jason at gmail.com <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>
> >     > <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Have you put your location in TVfool? I can help you read
> >     the output.
> >     >     Can't really make a good recommendation without knowing the
> >     signal
> >     >     levels. Anywhere within a few blocks is fine, so you don't
> >     have to
> >     >     share your exact location.
> >     >     http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
> >     >     -Jason
> >     >
> >     >     On Wed 26 Feb 2014 09:52:54 AM EST, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
> >     >     > Again, so many good points have been brought up in this
> >     >     discussion.  I
> >     >     > seem to have hit the jackpot for ideas!
> >     >     >
> >     >     > So... if I was to go out today and buy an antenna just to
> >     see what
> >     >     > channels I can get, is there a particular make and model that
> >     >     you guys
> >     >     > recommend?  Let's just assume for a moment that I'm
> >     willing to pay a
> >     >     > couple of extra coins for quality if it means eventually
> >     getting rid
> >     >     > of the monthly satellite TV bill (just a couple of extra
> >     coins,
> >     >     not a
> >     >     > lot!).
> >     >     >
> >     >     > If there isn't a clear make and model known, what sort of
> >     >     features do
> >     >     > I look for instead?  The last time I bought an antenna it
> >     was a
> >     >     set of
> >     >     > rabbit ears that sat on top of the old RCA TV.....
> >     >     >
> >     >     Have you put your coordinates into TVfool? I could help you
> >     read the
> >     >     output. Can't really make a good recomendation without knowing
> >     >     what the
> >     >     signal levels are. Anywhere within a couple blocks is fine,
> >     so you
> >     >     don't have to share your exact address.
> >     >     http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
> >     >
> >     >     -Jason
> >     >
> >     >     > If I can't get any stations over the antenna in my
> >     location then I'm
> >     >     > just going to take it back to the store, so obviously I
> >     would prefer
> >     >     > to deal with a reputable dealer.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > On 26 February 2014 09:40, Jason Locklin
> >     >     <locklin.jason at gmail.com <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>
> >     <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>>
> >     >     > <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>
> >     >     <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     * In regards to two antennas: It's tricky, but it can
> >     work, it's
> >     >     >     called
> >     >     >     "stacking" in OTA parlance:
> >     >     >
> >     http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/Antenna_Stacking_Ganging.asp
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Generally, it's tricky to keep signals from both
> >     antennas from
> >     >     >     interfering with each other because of being just
> slightly
> >     >     out of
> >     >     >     phase, but it can work with a little patients. One
> >     >     exception, being,
> >     >     >     that if you are combining signals from two different
> >     frequency
> >     >     >     bands. I
> >     >     >     have a VHF/UHF coupler that I plan on using to add a VHF
> >     >     dipole which
> >     >     >     bypasses my amp, so that the local CTV on channel 6 stops
> >     >     overloading
> >     >     >     things. The coupler only allows VHF signal from one
> >     antenna,
> >     >     and UHF
> >     >     >     from the other, so there is no issues with phasing.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     If you are going the PVR route, such as with MythTV,
> >     and you are
> >     >     >     having
> >     >     >     trouble with your stacked antennas, you could run two
> >     lines down
> >     >     >     to two
> >     >     >     tuners. It will be slightly more expensive, but you
> >     will get
> >     >     much
> >     >     >     better performance, and double your simultaneous
> recording
> >     >     ability.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     * Regarding TV guide information: All the Channels are
> >     >     broadcasting
> >     >     >     guide information now, but only for 12-25 hours ahead.
> >     This
> >     >     works fine
> >     >     >     with MythTV because I can set automatic recordings and
> >     even
> >     >     automatic
> >     >     >     searches to enable recordings. If you have a PVR that
> >     >     requires manual
> >     >     >     scheduling, it would be a pain, as you can only see a
> >     day's
> >     >     worth at a
> >     >     >     time. I did have a Schedules Direct membership for a
> while
> >     >     because
> >     >     >     Global didn't used to broadcast guide data at all. It was
> >     >     generally
> >     >     >     more accurate and had about a month of data.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     * Regarding XBMC and MythTV: I have been using XBMC as a
> >     >     frontend for
> >     >     >     MythTV for a couple years. It has never worked very
> >     well for
> >     >     me, and I
> >     >     >     usually end up switching to the MythTV frontend to watch
> >     >     recordings. I
> >     >     >     just have a script that alternatively starts the two
> >     >     programs, so when
> >     >     >     I exit MythTV, XBMC starts, and vise versa. It's a bit
> >     slow,
> >     >     and  I
> >     >     >     thought of putting them on two different virtual
> >     desktops and
> >     >     >     using the
> >     >     >     window manager to flip back and forth instantly, but
> >     because
> >     >     they both
> >     >     >     use graphics acceleration, there was issues. I also
> >     thought
> >     >     of running
> >     >     >     two X-servers and switching back and forth, but I
> >     never got
> >     >     around to
> >     >     >     trying that.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
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