[kwlug-disc] Fwd: Re:

CrankyOldBugger crankyoldbugger at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 11:26:14 EST 2014


Great stuff, Jason, thanks!

Let me ask a really dumb question.  Remember I haven't played with antennas
since the days when we could only get three channels anyway.. But in HDTV
broadcasts, what will I see onscreen if it's a "weak" signal?  Snow?
flickering? Or does HDTV automagically correct the picture as it goes?




On 26 February 2014 11:20, Jason Locklin <locklin.jason at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re:
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:15:46 -0500
> From: Jason Locklin <locklin.jason at gmail.com>
> To: CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
>
> Off brands tend to be cheap copies that don't hold up to weather. If
> they have internal amps, they are also often terrible. If you are doing
> the indoor or attic antenna, the cheap unamplified ones may work fine
> for many years, but if you are going to invest the time into doing
> something outdoor, I would only go Wineguard/Channel Master/Antennas
> Direct. A good antenna install should last a decade or more, and going
> up on the roof to fix things is not so fun. All your weak signals are
> UHF, so a UHF-only antenna like one of the 4-bay antennas should work
> fine. There are only a few places that sell these brands around here.
> My ChannelMaster originally came from Neutron Electronics in Guelph a
> few years back, but I have never had to return anything there. The only
> place with a significant online presence in Ontario is SaveAndReplay in
> Mississauga. They sponsor the OTA forum on Digitalhome.ca, and I have
> heard lots of positive things about them. Some of the Antenna
> installers around here are also dealers of those brands, so you could
> call around.
>
> Note: CHCH and the new CHCJ (CTV2 Hamilton) are really strong. You
> should be able to pull them off the side of an antenna pointed at
> Toronto.
>
> Also note: *If* you can pick up CITY-TV from Toronto, then you can
> easily get CBC (it's much stronger), and probably both OMNI's. All the
> CN Tower stations have improved in recent years, and that doesn't seem
> to be reflected on the databases.
> -Jason
>
>
>
> On Wed 26 Feb 2014 10:40:09 AM EST, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
> > Well, if I'm reading TVFool correctly, I should get:
> >
> > Internal antenna:
> > CKCO
> > CIII (Global)
> > TVO (CICO)
> >
> > Attic antenna:
> > Crossroads (CITS)
> > CHCH
> >
> > Roof-mount:
> > CITY-TV
> > CFTO
> > TVO (CICA)
> > CHCJ
> >
> > from then on it fades to grey...
> >
> > So apparently I will need to go up on the roof and mount an antenna on
> > the chimney at some point after the snow clears...
> >
> > Do you guys know if there's a big difference between no-name and brand
> > name antennas?  What sort of features should I be looking for?
> >
> > It just occurred to me that I've been a satellite TV user since the
> > early 80's.  Remember those big 6ft dishes?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 February 2014 10:18, Jason Locklin <locklin.jason at gmail.com
> > <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Have you put your location in TVfool? I can help you read the output.
> >     Can't really make a good recommendation without knowing the signal
> >     levels. Anywhere within a few blocks is fine, so you don't have to
> >     share your exact location.
> >     http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
> >     -Jason
> >
> >     On Wed 26 Feb 2014 09:52:54 AM EST, CrankyOldBugger wrote:
> >     > Again, so many good points have been brought up in this
> >     discussion.  I
> >     > seem to have hit the jackpot for ideas!
> >     >
> >     > So... if I was to go out today and buy an antenna just to see what
> >     > channels I can get, is there a particular make and model that
> >     you guys
> >     > recommend?  Let's just assume for a moment that I'm willing to pay
> a
> >     > couple of extra coins for quality if it means eventually getting
> rid
> >     > of the monthly satellite TV bill (just a couple of extra coins,
> >     not a
> >     > lot!).
> >     >
> >     > If there isn't a clear make and model known, what sort of
> >     features do
> >     > I look for instead?  The last time I bought an antenna it was a
> >     set of
> >     > rabbit ears that sat on top of the old RCA TV.....
> >     >
> >     Have you put your coordinates into TVfool? I could help you read the
> >     output. Can't really make a good recomendation without knowing
> >     what the
> >     signal levels are. Anywhere within a couple blocks is fine, so you
> >     don't have to share your exact address.
> >     http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
> >
> >     -Jason
> >
> >     > If I can't get any stations over the antenna in my location then
> I'm
> >     > just going to take it back to the store, so obviously I would
> prefer
> >     > to deal with a reputable dealer.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On 26 February 2014 09:40, Jason Locklin
> >     <locklin.jason at gmail.com <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>
> >     > <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:locklin.jason at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     * In regards to two antennas: It's tricky, but it can work,
> it's
> >     >     called
> >     >     "stacking" in OTA parlance:
> >     >
> http://overtheair.saveandreplay.com/Antenna_Stacking_Ganging.asp
> >     >
> >     >     Generally, it's tricky to keep signals from both antennas from
> >     >     interfering with each other because of being just slightly
> >     out of
> >     >     phase, but it can work with a little patients. One
> >     exception, being,
> >     >     that if you are combining signals from two different frequency
> >     >     bands. I
> >     >     have a VHF/UHF coupler that I plan on using to add a VHF
> >     dipole which
> >     >     bypasses my amp, so that the local CTV on channel 6 stops
> >     overloading
> >     >     things. The coupler only allows VHF signal from one antenna,
> >     and UHF
> >     >     from the other, so there is no issues with phasing.
> >     >
> >     >     If you are going the PVR route, such as with MythTV, and you
> are
> >     >     having
> >     >     trouble with your stacked antennas, you could run two lines
> down
> >     >     to two
> >     >     tuners. It will be slightly more expensive, but you will get
> >     much
> >     >     better performance, and double your simultaneous recording
> >     ability.
> >     >
> >     >     * Regarding TV guide information: All the Channels are
> >     broadcasting
> >     >     guide information now, but only for 12-25 hours ahead. This
> >     works fine
> >     >     with MythTV because I can set automatic recordings and even
> >     automatic
> >     >     searches to enable recordings. If you have a PVR that
> >     requires manual
> >     >     scheduling, it would be a pain, as you can only see a day's
> >     worth at a
> >     >     time. I did have a Schedules Direct membership for a while
> >     because
> >     >     Global didn't used to broadcast guide data at all. It was
> >     generally
> >     >     more accurate and had about a month of data.
> >     >
> >     >     * Regarding XBMC and MythTV: I have been using XBMC as a
> >     frontend for
> >     >     MythTV for a couple years. It has never worked very well for
> >     me, and I
> >     >     usually end up switching to the MythTV frontend to watch
> >     recordings. I
> >     >     just have a script that alternatively starts the two
> >     programs, so when
> >     >     I exit MythTV, XBMC starts, and vise versa. It's a bit slow,
> >     and  I
> >     >     thought of putting them on two different virtual desktops and
> >     >     using the
> >     >     window manager to flip back and forth instantly, but because
> >     they both
> >     >     use graphics acceleration, there was issues. I also thought
> >     of running
> >     >     two X-servers and switching back and forth, but I never got
> >     around to
> >     >     trying that.
> >     >
> >     >
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