[kwlug-disc] Evaluating webhosting

Chamunks Arkturus chamunks at gmail.com
Tue Oct 22 08:21:29 EDT 2013


CloudAtCost.com seems to be selling forever servers to the first 10,000
customers that could work.   Its like 35$ so 35 months of 1$ a month
hosting and the VPS is yours forever.  Its with Fibernetics.  Not bad for a
little 10 gig 512meg VPS


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:

> Adam Glauser wrote:
> > I don't think a "must be hosted in Canada" policy is a sufficient
> > response to fear of the Patriot Act. Any such policy I've
> > encountered has had that fear at its root.
>
> I'm not sure if it falls in the category of "fear of the Patriot Act",
> but some organizations are concerned about the requirements of the
> Ontario Personal Health Information Protection Act (PHIPA), which
> vaguely states that
>
> "A health care practitioner may keep a record of personal health
> information about an individual in a place other than the individual’s
> home and other than a place in the control of the practitioner if...the
> record is kept in a reasonable manner" [1]
>
> At least one Public Health department has interpreted that to mean that
> foreign vendors were not allowed to bid on archiving and storage
> solutions (and at least one foreign vendor countered by opening a
> Canadian office, making them eligible to bid on the RFP again).
>
>
> But back to the initial problem: If Paul's colleague is looking for a
> WordPress solution, why not use wordpress.com as the host?  That way
> she'll have the most up-to-date Wordpress code available, the domain
> name is easy to re-direct, and mail is easy to forward (at least, it is
> on my DNS provider).
>
> --Bob.
>
>
> [1]
>
> http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_04p03_e.htm#BK19
>
>
>
> On 13-10-03 10:41 PM, Adam Glauser wrote:
> > There are at least two problems with such a policy.
> >
> > First, lots of Canada to Canada traffic is routed through the
> > States, as Paul said. Even if encrypted, this will possibly be
> > collected by the NSA. It is even plausible that it could eventually
> > be decrypted and studied.
> >
> > Secondly, we know that the CSEC is up to at least some of the same
> > shenanigans as the NSA/GCHQ/etc.
> >
> >
> https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Ftechnology%2Fstory%2F2013%2F06%2F12%2Ff-communication-security-establishment-canada.html&ei=DCdOUsmMFNCUqwHKzoCwBA&usg=AFQjCNF7egL2610td3M0D25ZZ-1dW7wPHg&sig2=dBmFRE3j4Usx2AEPnrhrdA&bvm=bv.53537100,d.aWM
> >
> >
> >
> Not only that, but they likely all share information with one
> > another.
> >
> >
> http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-politics/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/29/harper-government-gives-eavesdropping-agency-ok-to-exchange-info-with-foreign-partners-despite-risk-of-torture
> >
> >
> >
> I suppose there is something to be said for both all intended
> > parties to the communication being under the same privacy laws, but
> > I don't think a "must be hosted in Canada" policy is a sufficient
> > response to fear of the Patriot Act. Any such policy I've
> > encountered has had that fear at its root. On Oct 3, 2013 8:48 PM,
> > "unsolicited" <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Keeping content / traffic in Canada misguided at best?
> >>
> >> Huh?
> >>
> >> On 13-10-03 08:20 PM, Paul Nijjar wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I agree that self-hosting email is a pain, and since I am not
> >>> going to be supporting this person in her webhosting I have no
> >>> intentions of doing so. But other people are more used to the
> >>> pain than me. I have the feeling that some sysadmins are into
> >>> pain, which may be a conversation not appropriate for this list.
> >>>
> >>> Government requirements may be a factor here, but some of the
> >>> regulations (eg keeping services hosted in Canada even though the
> >>> traffic will probably be routed through Chicago to be sniffed by
> >>> the NSA) can be misguided at best.
> >>>
> >>> - Paul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 12:31:48PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I want to iterate what has been said before that hosting your
> >>>> own email is not worth it. Better delegate that to someone
> >>>> like Google Apps, and not deal with blacklisting, spam,
> >>>> downtime, ...etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> That is, unless you have government requirements not to.
>
>
>
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