<div dir="ltr">CloudAtCost.com seems to be selling forever servers to the first 10,000 customers that could work. Its like 35$ so 35 months of 1$ a month hosting and the VPS is yours forever. Its with Fibernetics. Not bad for a little 10 gig 512meg VPS</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Bob Jonkman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">Adam Glauser wrote:<br>
> I don't think a "must be hosted in Canada" policy is a sufficient<br>
> response to fear of the Patriot Act. Any such policy I've<br>
> encountered has had that fear at its root.<br>
<br>
</div>I'm not sure if it falls in the category of "fear of the Patriot Act",<br>
but some organizations are concerned about the requirements of the<br>
Ontario Personal Health Information Protection Act (PHIPA), which<br>
vaguely states that<br>
<br>
"A health care practitioner may keep a record of personal health<br>
information about an individual in a place other than the individual’s<br>
home and other than a place in the control of the practitioner if...the<br>
record is kept in a reasonable manner" [1]<br>
<br>
At least one Public Health department has interpreted that to mean that<br>
foreign vendors were not allowed to bid on archiving and storage<br>
solutions (and at least one foreign vendor countered by opening a<br>
Canadian office, making them eligible to bid on the RFP again).<br>
<br>
<br>
But back to the initial problem: If Paul's colleague is looking for a<br>
WordPress solution, why not use <a href="http://wordpress.com" target="_blank">wordpress.com</a> as the host? That way<br>
she'll have the most up-to-date Wordpress code available, the domain<br>
name is easy to re-direct, and mail is easy to forward (at least, it is<br>
on my DNS provider).<br>
<br>
--Bob.<br>
<br>
<br>
[1]<br>
<a href="http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_04p03_e.htm#BK19" target="_blank">http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_04p03_e.htm#BK19</a><br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On <a href="tel:13-10-03%2010" value="+13100310">13-10-03 10</a>:41 PM, Adam Glauser wrote:<br>
> There are at least two problems with such a policy.<br>
><br>
> First, lots of Canada to Canada traffic is routed through the<br>
> States, as Paul said. Even if encrypted, this will possibly be<br>
> collected by the NSA. It is even plausible that it could eventually<br>
> be decrypted and studied.<br>
><br>
> Secondly, we know that the CSEC is up to at least some of the same<br>
> shenanigans as the NSA/GCHQ/etc.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Ftechnology%2Fstory%2F2013%2F06%2F12%2Ff-communication-security-establishment-canada.html&ei=DCdOUsmMFNCUqwHKzoCwBA&usg=AFQjCNF7egL2610td3M0D25ZZ-1dW7wPHg&sig2=dBmFRE3j4Usx2AEPnrhrdA&bvm=bv.53537100,d.aWM" target="_blank">https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Ftechnology%2Fstory%2F2013%2F06%2F12%2Ff-communication-security-establishment-canada.html&ei=DCdOUsmMFNCUqwHKzoCwBA&usg=AFQjCNF7egL2610td3M0D25ZZ-1dW7wPHg&sig2=dBmFRE3j4Usx2AEPnrhrdA&bvm=bv.53537100,d.aWM</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
Not only that, but they likely all share information with one<br>
> another.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-politics/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/29/harper-government-gives-eavesdropping-agency-ok-to-exchange-info-with-foreign-partners-despite-risk-of-torture" target="_blank">http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-politics/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/29/harper-government-gives-eavesdropping-agency-ok-to-exchange-info-with-foreign-partners-despite-risk-of-torture</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
I suppose there is something to be said for both all intended<br>
> parties to the communication being under the same privacy laws, but<br>
> I don't think a "must be hosted in Canada" policy is a sufficient<br>
> response to fear of the Patriot Act. Any such policy I've<br>
> encountered has had that fear at its root. On Oct 3, 2013 8:48 PM,<br>
> "unsolicited" <<a href="mailto:unsolicited@swiz.ca">unsolicited@swiz.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Keeping content / traffic in Canada misguided at best?<br>
>><br>
>> Huh?<br>
>><br>
>> On <a href="tel:13-10-03%2008" value="+13100308">13-10-03 08</a>:20 PM, Paul Nijjar wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I agree that self-hosting email is a pain, and since I am not<br>
>>> going to be supporting this person in her webhosting I have no<br>
>>> intentions of doing so. But other people are more used to the<br>
>>> pain than me. I have the feeling that some sysadmins are into<br>
>>> pain, which may be a conversation not appropriate for this list.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Government requirements may be a factor here, but some of the<br>
>>> regulations (eg keeping services hosted in Canada even though the<br>
>>> traffic will probably be routed through Chicago to be sniffed by<br>
>>> the NSA) can be misguided at best.<br>
>>><br>
>>> - Paul<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 12:31:48PM -0400, Khalid Baheyeldin<br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I want to iterate what has been said before that hosting your<br>
>>>> own email is not worth it. Better delegate that to someone<br>
>>>> like Google Apps, and not deal with blacklisting, spam,<br>
>>>> downtime, ...etc.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> That is, unless you have government requirements not to.<br>
<br>
<br>
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