[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Tue May 10 00:15:25 EDT 2011


Jane Mitchell, Regional Councillor, offers similar advice. The link to 
her e-book is: http://www.janemitchell.ca/Advocating.pdf

--Bob.


On 2011-05-10 at 00:04:26  Darcy Casselman wrote:
> Waterloo city councillor Jeff Henry gives a good talk about how to
> talk to politicians:
> http://igniteshow.com/videos/how-change-politicians-mind
>
> Darcy.
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Darryl O'Neill<ldoneill at golden.net>  wrote:
>> The person that I talked to in the office grasped the watching movie on BB
>> concept. Everyone watches video on mobile devices.  They had never heard of
>> Linux.
>>
>>
>>
>> L.D. Paniak wrote:
>>> DVD on BB is probably a little too abstract for a politician.  DVD on
>>> Linux laptop (with DVD drive) is something that anyone on the street can
>>> get their head around. This is something that would be outlawed by C32
>>> and really highlights the issue we are concerned about.
>>>
>>> Not punishing the law-abiding for the bad behaviour of criminals is
>>> (was?) standard Conservative philosophy (eg. gun registry).  I think
>>> this would be an effective avenue for persuasion with the new
>>> government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 01:46 -0400, Darryl O'Neill wrote:
>>>
>>>> There was a Wiki leaks news article about how the US basically instructed
>>>> the conservative government what to put into C-32.
>>>> Peter Braid has not shown any interest in even the simplest example of I
>>>> should be able to watch a DVD that I purchased on my blackberry.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that we should still try.
>>>>
>>>> Darryl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Russell McOrmond wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:06 PM, unsolicited<unsolicited at swiz.ca>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this idea, unfortunately, will be very true in many areas and
>>>>>> bills.
>>>>>> The Conservatives no longer having to pander in any way to any other
>>>>>> party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>   A majority government is a majority government, not matter what
>>>>> party is in power.  While I am not a fan of single-party majority
>>>>> governments, it is unfortunately the norm in Canada both federally and
>>>>> provincially.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Things like gun registry and crime legislation, despite being
>>>>>> demonstratively shown to not make sense, to not achieve the desired
>>>>>> goal, or
>>>>>> to not be what the majority of Canadians want, will go ahead without
>>>>>> regard
>>>>>> to other voices - be they parliamentarians, or citizenry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>   While this is the nature of majority governments, it is always a
>>>>> matter of framing issues in a way that is consistent with the values
>>>>> of the person you are speaking to.
>>>>>
>>>>>   We may differ on the importance of registering a long-gun, and
>>>>> whether that is more an emotional reaction to École Polytechnique
>>>>> Massacre than good gun control policy.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Ignoring that for the moment, the concept can still be used to our
>>>>> benefit even if you don't agree with what the majority of
>>>>> Conservatives and people in rural areas (Including the NDP from rural
>>>>> areas) believe on the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>
>>>>> The long computer registry and IT control
>>>>> http://creform.ca/5209
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   At the end of my intervention in front of the C-32 committee,
>>>>> talking about non-owner locks on information technology protected by
>>>>> C-32, I said:
>>>>>
>>>>> "For no other type of property would this be considered. We would
>>>>> never legally protect non-owner locks to all guns in a country where
>>>>> many are uncomfortable with the mere registration of long guns. We
>>>>> would never legally protect non-owner locks on our homes, alleging it
>>>>> was necessary to protect the insurance industry from fraud. We would
>>>>> never legally protect non-owner locks on our cars, allegedly to ensure
>>>>> that automobiles could never be used as a getaway vehicle."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Given what you are feeling about the Conservative crime legislation
>>>>> proposals, I suspect you will agree it is critically important than
>>>>> the Conservatives don't confuse copyright with a "law and order"
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Some of the same groups that Conservatives typically distrust
>>>>> (violent video game creators, sex-infested movies and music, artist
>>>>> unions and people who generally hang around at expensive galas asking
>>>>> for government handouts, etc :-) allege copyright reform is all about
>>>>> stopping bad people from "stealing".
>>>>>
>>>>>   We just need to clarify that it is about unfair taxes
>>>>> (inappropriately applied cotpulsory licenses), attacks on property
>>>>> rights (TPMs), double-dipping (overlapping royalty schemes), and
>>>>> excessive regulation (Copyright applying to private activities in ones
>>>>> home, purely technical processes like ephemeral recordings/etc).
>>>>>
>>>>>   All the political rhetoric we would like to see MPs express were
>>>>> expressed by Conservatives at C-32 committee hearings -- just not
>>>>> consistantly as they don't yet understand the connection between
>>>>> various issues.
>>>>>
>>>>>   The greatest problem is the lack of technical understanding to
>>>>> realise that TPMs don't reduce copyright infringement, just allow a
>>>>> subset of technology hardware manufacturers and software authors to
>>>>> circumvent the traditional contours of many different federal and
>>>>> provincial laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>   In other words, who are the worst "bad actors" abusing the law is
>>>>> quite different than what they have been told so far -- especially
>>>>> from those protectionist Democrats south of the border :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be glad to be shown wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>   The only sure way to lose this game is to decide not to play.   I'd
>>>>> rather be considered naive than apathetic.
>>>>>
>>>>>   There are 3 people who have offices in the area that  KWLUG serves
>>>>> that could be influential to this issue, and I hope we do everything
>>>>> we can to harness this.
>>>>>
>>>>>   And it would be great for people to "pass it on" to people outside
>>>>> of the region you know so we can ensure we have a successful summer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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