[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.
bjonkman at sobac.com
Tue May 10 00:40:42 EDT 2011
During the copyright debate Tony Clement made it quite clear that use,
manufacture and sale of circumvention tools would be illegal under
C-32. But you *can* own them!
On 2011-05-10 at 00:15:47 unsolicited wrote:
> laws aren't usually retroactive.
> So, everyone, just make sure you download all TPM breakers before the
> law is passed.
> Not that you'll be able to use the download once the law is passed ...
> R. Brent Clements wrote, On 05/08/2011 9:43 PM:
>> just had an ugly thought. What about all the media I have already
>> purchased? If I don't like the license on something, I am supposed to
>> not use it and return it to where I bought it. How is this gonna
>> affect all the stuff I have purchased when there was no laws
>> preventing me from freely watching them when the rules change? Can I
>> get my money back?
>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, L.D. Paniak
>> <ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 13:08 -0400, Russell McOrmond wrote:
>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:34 AM, L.D. Paniak wrote:
>>>>> Ridiculous url notwithstanding, can we counter such arguments? I
>>>>> have a
>>>>> problem with proof by eminent authority (Dr. Ficsor said I was
>>>>> right...), but I guess that is how legal debates work.
>>>> Take a look at: http://billc32.ca/faq#wipoguide
>>>> It is important that people recognise that Dr. Mihály Ficsor is not
>>>> so much an expert, but a lobbiest from outside of Canada. He was
>>>> actively involved in pushing forward as a Hungarian the policy
>>>> laundering position put forward by the USTR on technological measures.
>>>> He lost that debate in 1995/1996 when the vast majority of WIPO
>>>> countries rejected the inclusion of "access controls" and a
>>>> prohibition on tools and services that can be used to circumvent these
>>>> access controls. He has then lobbied globally claiming that he won
>>>> the debate, and that WIPO had actually meant to say what he promoted
>>>> and never got.
>>>> He is relying on the short attention span of people, as well as the
>>>> fact that politicians are generalists and won't know that what he says
>>>> of the history is incorrect.
>>>> It is pretty dishonest what he is doing, but it is part of the
>>>> political debate to claim that up is down, left is right, and that
>>>> "We've always been at war with Eastasia".
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>> It isn't even necessary to take your word for it. I invite the
>>> interested to have a look at the good Dr. Ficsor's rebuttal of Geist's
>>> If you can wade through the gratuitous overuse of boldface typeset,
>>> Oxford English Dictionary citations, non-sequitur comments (did I miss
>>> something?) on the Oscars and New York brothels and belief that his
>>> "good faith" interpretation of the issue at hand trumps all others, you
>>> can come to your own conclusions.
>>> And what is a "wealth destroyer" anyway? I've never heard that one
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