[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Tue May 10 00:40:42 EDT 2011


During the copyright debate Tony Clement made it quite clear that use, 
manufacture and sale of circumvention tools would be illegal under 
C-32.  But you *can* own them!  
https://twitter.com/TonyclementCPC/status/15419224665

--Bob.


On 2011-05-10 at 00:15:47  unsolicited wrote:
> laws aren't usually retroactive.
>
> So, everyone, just make sure you download all TPM breakers before the 
> law is passed.
>
> Not that you'll be able to use the download once the law is passed ...
>
> R. Brent Clements wrote, On 05/08/2011 9:43 PM:
>> just had an ugly thought.  What about all the media I have already
>> purchased?  If I don't like the license on something, I am supposed to
>> not use it and return it to where I bought it.  How is this gonna
>> affect all the stuff I have purchased when there was no laws
>> preventing me from freely watching them when the rules change?  Can I
>> get my money back?
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, L.D. Paniak
>> <ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 13:08 -0400, Russell McOrmond wrote:
>>>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:34 AM, L.D. Paniak  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ridiculous url notwithstanding, can we counter such arguments?  I 
>>>>> have a
>>>>> problem with proof by eminent authority (Dr. Ficsor said I was
>>>>> right...), but I guess that is how legal debates work.
>>>>   Take a look at: http://billc32.ca/faq#wipoguide
>>>>
>>>>   It is important that people recognise that Dr. Mihály Ficsor is not
>>>> so much an expert, but a lobbiest from outside of Canada.   He was
>>>> actively involved in pushing forward as a Hungarian the policy
>>>> laundering position put forward by the USTR on technological measures.
>>>>
>>>>   He lost that debate in 1995/1996 when the vast majority of WIPO
>>>> countries rejected the inclusion of "access controls" and a
>>>> prohibition on tools and services that can be used to circumvent these
>>>> access controls.  He has then lobbied globally claiming that he won
>>>> the debate, and that WIPO had actually meant to say what he promoted
>>>> and never got.
>>>>
>>>>   He is relying on the short attention span of people, as well as the
>>>> fact that politicians are generalists and won't know that what he says
>>>> of the history is incorrect.
>>>>
>>>>   It is pretty  dishonest what he is doing, but it is part of the
>>>> political debate to claim that up is down, left is right, and that
>>>> "We've always been at war with Eastasia".
>>>>
>>>>   Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>> It isn't even necessary to take your word for it.  I invite the
>>> interested to have a look at the good Dr. Ficsor's rebuttal of Geist's
>>> arguments:
>>>
>>> http://www.iposgoode.ca/Ficsor-TPMs-and-Flexibility.pdf
>>>
>>> If you can wade through the gratuitous overuse of boldface typeset,
>>> Oxford English Dictionary citations, non-sequitur comments (did I miss
>>> something?) on the Oscars and New York brothels and belief that his
>>> "good faith" interpretation of the issue at hand trumps all others, you
>>> can come to your own conclusions.
>>>
>>> And what is a "wealth destroyer" anyway?  I've never heard that one
>>> before.
>>>
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