[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.

unsolicited unsolicited at swiz.ca
Sun May 8 23:15:52 EDT 2011

laws aren't usually retroactive.

So, everyone, just make sure you download all TPM breakers before the 
law is passed.

Not that you'll be able to use the download once the law is passed ...

R. Brent Clements wrote, On 05/08/2011 9:43 PM:
> just had an ugly thought.  What about all the media I have already
> purchased?  If I don't like the license on something, I am supposed to
> not use it and return it to where I bought it.  How is this gonna
> affect all the stuff I have purchased when there was no laws
> preventing me from freely watching them when the rules change?  Can I
> get my money back?
> Brent
> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, L.D. Paniak
> <ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 13:08 -0400, Russell McOrmond wrote:
>>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:34 AM, L.D. Paniak  wrote:
>>>> Ridiculous url notwithstanding, can we counter such arguments?  I have a
>>>> problem with proof by eminent authority (Dr. Ficsor said I was
>>>> right...), but I guess that is how legal debates work.
>>>   Take a look at: http://billc32.ca/faq#wipoguide
>>>   It is important that people recognise that Dr. Mihály Ficsor is not
>>> so much an expert, but a lobbiest from outside of Canada.   He was
>>> actively involved in pushing forward as a Hungarian the policy
>>> laundering position put forward by the USTR on technological measures.
>>>   He lost that debate in 1995/1996 when the vast majority of WIPO
>>> countries rejected the inclusion of "access controls" and a
>>> prohibition on tools and services that can be used to circumvent these
>>> access controls.  He has then lobbied globally claiming that he won
>>> the debate, and that WIPO had actually meant to say what he promoted
>>> and never got.
>>>   He is relying on the short attention span of people, as well as the
>>> fact that politicians are generalists and won't know that what he says
>>> of the history is incorrect.
>>>   It is pretty  dishonest what he is doing, but it is part of the
>>> political debate to claim that up is down, left is right, and that
>>> "We've always been at war with Eastasia".
>>>   Hope this helps.
>> It isn't even necessary to take your word for it.  I invite the
>> interested to have a look at the good Dr. Ficsor's rebuttal of Geist's
>> arguments:
>> http://www.iposgoode.ca/Ficsor-TPMs-and-Flexibility.pdf
>> If you can wade through the gratuitous overuse of boldface typeset,
>> Oxford English Dictionary citations, non-sequitur comments (did I miss
>> something?) on the Oscars and New York brothels and belief that his
>> "good faith" interpretation of the issue at hand trumps all others, you
>> can come to your own conclusions.
>> And what is a "wealth destroyer" anyway?  I've never heard that one
>> before.
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