[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.

R. Brent Clements rbclemen at gmail.com
Sun May 8 21:43:45 EDT 2011

just had an ugly thought.  What about all the media I have already
purchased?  If I don't like the license on something, I am supposed to
not use it and return it to where I bought it.  How is this gonna
affect all the stuff I have purchased when there was no laws
preventing me from freely watching them when the rules change?  Can I
get my money back?


On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, L.D. Paniak
<ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-05-07 at 13:08 -0400, Russell McOrmond wrote:
>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:34 AM, L.D. Paniak  wrote:
>> > Ridiculous url notwithstanding, can we counter such arguments?  I have a
>> > problem with proof by eminent authority (Dr. Ficsor said I was
>> > right...), but I guess that is how legal debates work.
>>   Take a look at: http://billc32.ca/faq#wipoguide
>>   It is important that people recognise that Dr. Mihály Ficsor is not
>> so much an expert, but a lobbiest from outside of Canada.   He was
>> actively involved in pushing forward as a Hungarian the policy
>> laundering position put forward by the USTR on technological measures.
>>   He lost that debate in 1995/1996 when the vast majority of WIPO
>> countries rejected the inclusion of "access controls" and a
>> prohibition on tools and services that can be used to circumvent these
>> access controls.  He has then lobbied globally claiming that he won
>> the debate, and that WIPO had actually meant to say what he promoted
>> and never got.
>>   He is relying on the short attention span of people, as well as the
>> fact that politicians are generalists and won't know that what he says
>> of the history is incorrect.
>>   It is pretty  dishonest what he is doing, but it is part of the
>> political debate to claim that up is down, left is right, and that
>> "We've always been at war with Eastasia".
>>   Hope this helps.
> It isn't even necessary to take your word for it.  I invite the
> interested to have a look at the good Dr. Ficsor's rebuttal of Geist's
> arguments:
> http://www.iposgoode.ca/Ficsor-TPMs-and-Flexibility.pdf
> If you can wade through the gratuitous overuse of boldface typeset,
> Oxford English Dictionary citations, non-sequitur comments (did I miss
> something?) on the Oscars and New York brothels and belief that his
> "good faith" interpretation of the issue at hand trumps all others, you
> can come to your own conclusions.
> And what is a "wealth destroyer" anyway?  I've never heard that one
> before.
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