[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.

Darcy Casselman dscassel at gmail.com
Fri May 6 22:35:28 EDT 2011


Waterloo city councillor Jeff Henry gives a good talk about how to
talk to politicians:
http://igniteshow.com/videos/how-change-politicians-mind

Darcy.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Darryl O'Neill <ldoneill at golden.net> wrote:
> The person that I talked to in the office grasped the watching movie on BB
> concept. Everyone watches video on mobile devices.  They had never heard of
> Linux.
>
>
>
> L.D. Paniak wrote:
>>
>> DVD on BB is probably a little too abstract for a politician.  DVD on
>> Linux laptop (with DVD drive) is something that anyone on the street can
>> get their head around. This is something that would be outlawed by C32
>> and really highlights the issue we are concerned about.
>>
>> Not punishing the law-abiding for the bad behaviour of criminals is
>> (was?) standard Conservative philosophy (eg. gun registry).  I think
>> this would be an effective avenue for persuasion with the new
>> government.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 01:46 -0400, Darryl O'Neill wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There was a Wiki leaks news article about how the US basically instructed
>>> the conservative government what to put into C-32.
>>> Peter Braid has not shown any interest in even the simplest example of I
>>> should be able to watch a DVD that I purchased on my blackberry.
>>>
>>> Having said that we should still try.
>>>
>>> Darryl
>>>
>>>
>>> Russell McOrmond wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:06 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this idea, unfortunately, will be very true in many areas and
>>>>> bills.
>>>>> The Conservatives no longer having to pander in any way to any other
>>>>> party.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  A majority government is a majority government, not matter what
>>>> party is in power.  While I am not a fan of single-party majority
>>>> governments, it is unfortunately the norm in Canada both federally and
>>>> provincially.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Things like gun registry and crime legislation, despite being
>>>>> demonstratively shown to not make sense, to not achieve the desired
>>>>> goal, or
>>>>> to not be what the majority of Canadians want, will go ahead without
>>>>> regard
>>>>> to other voices - be they parliamentarians, or citizenry.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  While this is the nature of majority governments, it is always a
>>>> matter of framing issues in a way that is consistent with the values
>>>> of the person you are speaking to.
>>>>
>>>>  We may differ on the importance of registering a long-gun, and
>>>> whether that is more an emotional reaction to École Polytechnique
>>>> Massacre than good gun control policy.
>>>>
>>>>  Ignoring that for the moment, the concept can still be used to our
>>>> benefit even if you don't agree with what the majority of
>>>> Conservatives and people in rural areas (Including the NDP from rural
>>>> areas) believe on the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Examples:
>>>>
>>>> The long computer registry and IT control
>>>> http://creform.ca/5209
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  At the end of my intervention in front of the C-32 committee,
>>>> talking about non-owner locks on information technology protected by
>>>> C-32, I said:
>>>>
>>>> "For no other type of property would this be considered. We would
>>>> never legally protect non-owner locks to all guns in a country where
>>>> many are uncomfortable with the mere registration of long guns. We
>>>> would never legally protect non-owner locks on our homes, alleging it
>>>> was necessary to protect the insurance industry from fraud. We would
>>>> never legally protect non-owner locks on our cars, allegedly to ensure
>>>> that automobiles could never be used as a getaway vehicle."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Given what you are feeling about the Conservative crime legislation
>>>> proposals, I suspect you will agree it is critically important than
>>>> the Conservatives don't confuse copyright with a "law and order"
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>>  Some of the same groups that Conservatives typically distrust
>>>> (violent video game creators, sex-infested movies and music, artist
>>>> unions and people who generally hang around at expensive galas asking
>>>> for government handouts, etc :-) allege copyright reform is all about
>>>> stopping bad people from "stealing".
>>>>
>>>>  We just need to clarify that it is about unfair taxes
>>>> (inappropriately applied compulsory licenses), attacks on property
>>>> rights (TPMs), double-dipping (overlapping royalty schemes), and
>>>> excessive regulation (Copyright applying to private activities in ones
>>>> home, purely technical processes like ephemeral recordings/etc).
>>>>
>>>>  All the political rhetoric we would like to see MPs express were
>>>> expressed by Conservatives at C-32 committee hearings -- just not
>>>> consistantly as they don't yet understand the connection between
>>>> various issues.
>>>>
>>>>  The greatest problem is the lack of technical understanding to
>>>> realise that TPMs don't reduce copyright infringement, just allow a
>>>> subset of technology hardware manufacturers and software authors to
>>>> circumvent the traditional contours of many different federal and
>>>> provincial laws.
>>>>
>>>>  In other words, who are the worst "bad actors" abusing the law is
>>>> quite different than what they have been told so far -- especially
>>>> from those protectionist Democrats south of the border :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be glad to be shown wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The only sure way to lose this game is to decide not to play.   I'd
>>>> rather be considered naive than apathetic.
>>>>
>>>>  There are 3 people who have offices in the area that  KWLUG serves
>>>> that could be influential to this issue, and I hope we do everything
>>>> we can to harness this.
>>>>
>>>>  And it would be great for people to "pass it on" to people outside
>>>> of the region you know so we can ensure we have a successful summer.
>>>>
>>>>
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