[kwlug-disc] Meeting with (not so new) MPs in KW region.

Darryl O'Neill ldoneill at golden.net
Fri May 6 21:07:23 EDT 2011


The person that I talked to in the office grasped the watching movie on 
BB concept. 
Everyone watches video on mobile devices.  They had never heard of Linux.



L.D. Paniak wrote:
> DVD on BB is probably a little too abstract for a politician.  DVD on
> Linux laptop (with DVD drive) is something that anyone on the street can
> get their head around. This is something that would be outlawed by C32
> and really highlights the issue we are concerned about.
>
> Not punishing the law-abiding for the bad behaviour of criminals is
> (was?) standard Conservative philosophy (eg. gun registry).  I think
> this would be an effective avenue for persuasion with the new
> government.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 01:46 -0400, Darryl O'Neill wrote:
>   
>> There was a Wiki leaks news article about how the US basically 
>> instructed the conservative government what to put into C-32.
>> Peter Braid has not shown any interest in even the simplest example of I 
>> should be able to watch a DVD that I purchased on my blackberry.
>>
>> Having said that we should still try.
>>
>> Darryl
>>
>>
>> Russell McOrmond wrote:
>>     
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:06 PM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca> wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> I think this idea, unfortunately, will be very true in many areas and bills.
>>>> The Conservatives no longer having to pander in any way to any other party.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>   A majority government is a majority government, not matter what
>>> party is in power.  While I am not a fan of single-party majority
>>> governments, it is unfortunately the norm in Canada both federally and
>>> provincially.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Things like gun registry and crime legislation, despite being
>>>> demonstratively shown to not make sense, to not achieve the desired goal, or
>>>> to not be what the majority of Canadians want, will go ahead without regard
>>>> to other voices - be they parliamentarians, or citizenry.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>   While this is the nature of majority governments, it is always a
>>> matter of framing issues in a way that is consistent with the values
>>> of the person you are speaking to.
>>>
>>>   We may differ on the importance of registering a long-gun, and
>>> whether that is more an emotional reaction to École Polytechnique
>>> Massacre than good gun control policy.
>>>
>>>   Ignoring that for the moment, the concept can still be used to our
>>> benefit even if you don't agree with what the majority of
>>> Conservatives and people in rural areas (Including the NDP from rural
>>> areas) believe on the issue.
>>>
>>> Examples:
>>>
>>> The long computer registry and IT control
>>> http://creform.ca/5209
>>>
>>>
>>>   At the end of my intervention in front of the C-32 committee,
>>> talking about non-owner locks on information technology protected by
>>> C-32, I said:
>>>
>>> "For no other type of property would this be considered. We would
>>> never legally protect non-owner locks to all guns in a country where
>>> many are uncomfortable with the mere registration of long guns. We
>>> would never legally protect non-owner locks on our homes, alleging it
>>> was necessary to protect the insurance industry from fraud. We would
>>> never legally protect non-owner locks on our cars, allegedly to ensure
>>> that automobiles could never be used as a getaway vehicle."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Given what you are feeling about the Conservative crime legislation
>>> proposals, I suspect you will agree it is critically important than
>>> the Conservatives don't confuse copyright with a "law and order"
>>> issue.
>>>
>>>   Some of the same groups that Conservatives typically distrust
>>> (violent video game creators, sex-infested movies and music, artist
>>> unions and people who generally hang around at expensive galas asking
>>> for government handouts, etc :-) allege copyright reform is all about
>>> stopping bad people from "stealing".
>>>
>>>   We just need to clarify that it is about unfair taxes
>>> (inappropriately applied compulsory licenses), attacks on property
>>> rights (TPMs), double-dipping (overlapping royalty schemes), and
>>> excessive regulation (Copyright applying to private activities in ones
>>> home, purely technical processes like ephemeral recordings/etc).
>>>
>>>   All the political rhetoric we would like to see MPs express were
>>> expressed by Conservatives at C-32 committee hearings -- just not
>>> consistantly as they don't yet understand the connection between
>>> various issues.
>>>
>>>   The greatest problem is the lack of technical understanding to
>>> realise that TPMs don't reduce copyright infringement, just allow a
>>> subset of technology hardware manufacturers and software authors to
>>> circumvent the traditional contours of many different federal and
>>> provincial laws.
>>>
>>>   In other words, who are the worst "bad actors" abusing the law is
>>> quite different than what they have been told so far -- especially
>>> from those protectionist Democrats south of the border :-)
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> I'll be glad to be shown wrong.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>   The only sure way to lose this game is to decide not to play.   I'd
>>> rather be considered naive than apathetic.
>>>
>>>   There are 3 people who have offices in the area that  KWLUG serves
>>> that could be influential to this issue, and I hope we do everything
>>> we can to harness this.
>>>
>>>   And it would be great for people to "pass it on" to people outside
>>> of the region you know so we can ensure we have a successful summer.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
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