[kwlug-disc] UBB comes to Teksavvy

Eric Gerlach eric+kwlug at gerlach.ca
Tue Feb 1 13:19:27 EST 2011


First, thank you Darcy.  We need to remember that Bell was once a
subsidized carrier, and built their monopoly on public funds and
grants.  Rogers got a lot of grants too, but not as many as Bell.

Second, there are real reasons to need lots of bandwidth, beyond
access to Netflix, Youtube, MIT OpenCourseware, WoW, Steam, Linux
ISOs, etc.

For example, there are members of our Canadian Forces who use video
chat to stay in contact with their loved ones back home while on tour.
 That's going to use up most of a 25 Gb cap and take you into overage
quite quickly: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fbvje/good_bye_steam_i_hardly_knew_ye/c1es3ll

Cheers,

Eric

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Darcy Casselman <dscassel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Lest anyone thing Bell Canada is too hard done by, keep in mind the
> Government of Canada handed them their monopoly by providing them free
> right-of-way to lay their copper on private lands all across the
> country.  If you're a free market purist, you should be demanding they
> pay rents.
>
> What the government should have done is broken up Bell to prevent it
> being both a wholesaler and a retailer.  It's an obvious conflict of
> interest that a state-sanctioned monopoly shouldn't be allowed to get
> away with.
>
> Darcy.
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Darryl O'Neill <ldoneill at golden.net> wrote:
>> Too many Linux users looking for Free as in Beer internet.
>> I am not a big fan of Bell or Rogers,  but I am glad no one tells me that I
>> have to sell my services to my competitors at fixed prices independently of
>> how much  of my services are consumed by my competitors.
>>
>> Given the price of cable, gas, food, living, I am not seeing unreasonable
>> rates listed for internet usage.
>>
>> Can we end the back and forth on this soon.  This email discussion is
>> killing my UBB costs :-)
>>
>> Darryl
>>
>>
>> unsolicited at swiz.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 02:40:52 -0500, Chris Frey <cdfrey at foursquare.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 02:22:49PM -0500, Kyle Spaans wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Other options appear to be a company called EyeSurf?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Glad to see this discussion on the list.
>>>>
>>>> My question is, does anyone know of any ISP that will automatically
>>>> disconnect your line for the rest of the month when you hit the limit,
>>>> instead of charging "insurance" or an additional fee?
>>>>
>>>> The additional fees seem excessive, and I'd rather not have to even
>>>> worry about them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know of any, not sure I'd want them to - unless they could pick the
>>> nature of the traffic. (Not sure I even want to have that discussion with
>>> them, either!)
>>>
>>> You might check your router and/or torrent client for some useful setting.
>>>
>>> IIRC, for me it's $2/GB over the cap, max'ing out at $25/month.
>>>
>>> So, if I'm going to go over, and can allow smtp, www, and the like, I'm ok
>>> with that. I doubt those few would cost me more than the first $2. (I
>>> don't
>>> do streaming, and VERY little You Tube.)
>>>
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