[kwlug-disc] Your country needs you (or "Our MP is on the C-32 committee") and the Long Census

L.D. Paniak ldpaniak at fourpisolutions.com
Sun Nov 21 13:13:08 EST 2010

The mantra of "not making criminals out of law abiding citizens" is a
long standing one in conservative lore.  It was certainly front and
center in arguments against a gun registry 10+ years ago and even
further back against medicare.  I find it hard to believe that a Reform
candidate from  Calgary would not be susceptible to this line of
reasoning - even if channeled through an Ontario MP.

The question for a conservative politician is what public interest is
served by the government intruding on the privacy of my home for the
purposes of checking on how I am watching a DVD that I legally purchased
(the right to view)?  


On Sun, 2010-11-21 at 11:48 -0500, Darryl O'Neill wrote:
> I don't believe for a minute  the the Tories canned the long census to 
> keep people out of jail.  I think that they want to lose the information 
> to fund programs that they don't want paid for.  I also am not under the 
> delusion that the Liberals care that much about the copyright bill.
> My point was that in one case the Tories are claiming that they don't 
> want to Criminalize innocent Canadians and in the other they are 
> perfectly willing to do it.  My faith in the opposition parties is that 
> they are willing to jump on this fact to make an issue out of it just to 
> cause problems for the Tories.  We still need to send a message to Peter 
> Braid but I am not sure if he can talk while Harper is drinking water.
> Russell McOrmond wrote:
> >
> > On 10-11-20 11:22 PM, Darryl O'Neill wrote:
> >> The Tories killed the Long Census since they don't want to turn ordinary
> >> citizens into criminals for not filling in a form.
> >> But it would appear that they want to make it illegal to copy your own
> >> DVD's onto your own iPod or Blackberry or to watch your own purchased
> >> movie on your own PC.
> >
> >   Here is the difference:
> >
> >   With the Census they were well aware of what they were doing, but 
> > some of us disagree on the effect.  In my mind the ultimate effect of 
> > getting rid of the long-form census will be to create an incentive to 
> > merge databases kept by different departments as well as data 
> > collected by the private sector.  Short-form: the effect will be a far 
> > greater invasion of our privacy than the long form could ever be.
> >
> >
> >   With TPMs, they aren't aware of what TPMs are or the effect.  They 
> > believe that TPMs added to content alone can "make decisions" (IE: 
> > just like believing a paperback book can read itself out loud), and 
> > are unaware of the impact of TPMs on our devices.   They have never 
> > read section 3, 15 or 18 of the current copyright act or any WIPO 
> > treaties to notice that "access" was never before contemplated in 
> > copyright (for good reason), and thus "access controls" should never 
> > be contemplated in copyright.   Like the special interest lawyers that 
> > are advising them, they don't eve know the difference between an 
> > access control and a use control.
> >
> >
> >   Please do not assume that any parliamentarians from any party are in 
> > favour of TPMs in Copyright because they actually understand what they 
> > are, or know what the consequences will be.   Nearly all real-world 
> > impacts of TPMs will be unintended consequences.
> >
> >> I think that we should engage the Liberal/NDP's on this side of the
> >> issue. I am sure that they would love to bring both of these issues up
> >> again during questioning period.
> >
> >   Please take a glance at the transcripts from the debate that has 
> > happened in the house so far of C-32.  This is the starting position 
> > of the parties.
> >
> >   The most important questions are those that happen in the committee. 
> >   As they talk to witnesses, they need to be asking smart questions of 
> > them to try to get useful answers.  Having them ask proponents of TPM 
> > legislation skill testing questions about real-world technology 
> > (cryptography, etc) would make for some pretty interesting committee 
> > hearings given it would be more obvious that the beneficiaries of TPMs 
> > are monopolist technology manufacturers and not copyright holders (IE: 
> > This is about BSA, not RIAA).
> >
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