[kwlug-disc] On lowering new member hurdles & comment cards.
shane.msg at gmail.com
Thu May 6 19:15:49 EDT 2010
Right back to before. A sheet for first name, contact (preferably email), level of experience, distro(s)?, is there anything you'd like to find out/talk about?
This is data. How many new? How many from MS? From Apple? From Commodore/Radio Shack/who knows. where? What do they want to know? What do they know that they would like to talk about?
Now that you have data you can make plans using it. Social evenings are good, even for geeks. People are more interactive with a friendly group than a bunch of strangers. You really have no real idea why many will be there. Social? Technical? What mix? It will likely not happen in a hurry but you could attract, or even develop, some very good resources.
================It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
From: unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca>
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 18:53:39
To: Kwlug-Disc<kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
Subject: [kwlug-disc] On lowering new member hurdles & comment cards.
This will ramble about, so please bear with me. I'm just throwing
stuff out here to see what, if anything, sticks. Apologies for the length.
kwlug is member driven. Understandably and rightly so. But what I
really mean is, kwlug members create their own content, for
themselves. The content presented reflects that. Again, all rightly so.
So, content reflects those whom are members, not those who might be or
could be members, or new members. There is a sensitivity to some
extent to the desires of such, but content largely reflects those who
are members, or, more accurately - those who are willing to step up.
[And thank you all, by the way, for stepping up.]
The topics presented consist of material the members themselves are
willing to step up and produce. And so reflect the interests and
content those producing members are passionate about. Again, all
A sticking point with being able to be new member friendly seems to be
to get them onto the communication pathways that already exist. I've
never, for example, seen anything but "Hail fellow, well met!" and
"The only stupid question is the one not asked!" on the list. But it
seems to be chicken and egg to get them on the list (or have them be
comfortable / not overwhelmed with it). [Sorry, nature of the beast,
deal.] They don't use the list because they don't know about the list,
and they don't know about the list because ...
On a side note: I very much liked an idea put forth on the list some
time ago, I don't remember by whom, sorry, of a page on the site
composed basically of links to "Reference links local kwlug people
have found to be useful." (i.e. Well, I expect most of us know how
frustrating the web can be some times.) Especially if some links can
point to Bob's offer to author / edit / host articles on material
local kwlug'ers have group collaborated on to produce, for lack of
'good' www material found. (Particularly that match Bob's standards -
which are of a particularly excellent nature, not found often enough
in today's technical literature.) [RouterStation Pro, anyone, yet?]
There has been some recent list discussion with respect to the nature
or the complexity of the material available (be it meeting,
presentation, web site, or list), both with respect to 'what it should
be' or 'targeted towards', and to what might be more friendly to new
It seems to me that you cannot hit a target when you don't know where
that target is. So, hadn't we better find out where that target is?
And the only way I can think of to collect such data is to ask - say
by meeting comment cards (a la wwitpro) or surveys.
There are two targets here: where, on average, are the current members
at, and where are those new to kwlug at.
So, if there is consensus that meeting surveys are appropriate and
would be useful, I'll volunteer to run with it.
I think, however, we would also need to accumulate (anonymous) member
profiles. Bear with me a moment, the idea is not as offensive as it
may sound. The difference between a meeting survey and a user profile
is that a user profile likely wouldn't change significantly, so don't
ask them about it every time. And don't create a need to track
submissions to track / remove duplicates.
We talk about whether we are presenting the right material for the
members. Well, the only way to know that is if we know the nature of
our members. So, elements of the profile might be:
- what sort of user are you? Casual, internet & e-mail only,
programmer, office suite, administrator (and type: system, network,
- how 'comfortable' are you with computers? New to computers, new to
Linux, short/long time Windows user, short/long time Linux user?
- current distro? (Could be interesting! And probably startling.)
- distros ever tried?
- current Windowing system (Also interesting!) [Plus level, e.g. KDE4
users vs. KDE3 - it was quite a step, that one was!]
- what do you do / interested in / enthusiastic about - programming
(What/'Language'?), web creation, database, mail merge, systems,
photography, graphic design, ???
The point is, this is largely unchanging information, and the average
'complexity' of the users would largely drive the complexity of the
presentations. But there can be only one record per member, and it
must be presented in an anonymous aggregate. We're merely looking to
find out where this complexity target is. Question: How to not
intimidate new members?
I have absolutely no idea how to accomplish this. I could see someone
with appropriate expertise creating a web form, and attaching it to
user profiles, but as soon as I consider how to require complete and
unique records, how to anonymously aggregate it, and how to present
it, I have no idea as to the specific technical steps required.
Then there's a meeting survey. That I know I can do - arrive at a form
everyone can live with, print them out, get the host to hand them out
/ collect them, get them to me, and I accumulate them into a monthly
'report'. Everything would be anonymous.
First: *Absolutely nothing* on the form would discuss the quality of
the presentation. If you have any problems - get off your heinie and
present, yourself, already.
Otherwise, it might have such things as:
- On a scale of 1 to 10, how was the complexity of the topic for you:
1 being too simple, 5 being just right, 10 being too advanced.
- what would you like to see presentations on?
- what would you like to see the floss fund donate to?
- are you a member of the list?
- what would you like to see kwlug do?
- what might you like to contribute, if you were more comfortable or
- Comments / Suggestions / anything you can think of to say?
Which is all to say, without having to put your hand up and expose
yourself, do you know how to get help (list), how did you feel about
*this* meeting, but most importantly - provide a (potential?) new
member with a mechanism they understand and have to hand as to how to
have their say / communicate. (vs. the list that they may not know
about, or be a member of, yet.) [Yes, some of this, presentation
request and floss fund nominees, have current mechanisms, but I don't
believe entries are being populated at quite the rate desired.]
So, is there any consensus as to whether, or not, such profiles and
surveys are appropriate, useful, or desirable?
If profiles are desired, will someone volunteer to run with effecting it?
If either profiles or comment cards / surveys are desired, what should
be on them?
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